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Epstein Files Controversy

How can people be expected to have faith in Trump if he won't release the Epstein That post by Elon Musk this afte Gets at a serious question prompted by MAGA fans, among others, after the Justice Department asserted in a memo that convicted sex offender and multimillionaire Jeffrey Epstein did not blackmail high profile clients, was not murdered before he was found dead in his cell in 2019 and in fact had no client list, despite the fact that the very same administratio officials are now asserting there is no there there. They many of them were the ones ginning up the controversy befor President Trump was reelected. And while they were in office. The Justice Department memo, first obtained by Axios, also comes one month after the billionaire Tesla foun took to his platform X as his alliance with President Trump dissolved. Quote, time to drop the really b Trump is in the Epstein files. That is the real reason why they have not been made public, Musk deleted that post two days but the new memo has Musk posting this meme, among others. It's a guy putting on progressively more cl makeup with the text. We will release the Epstein list We just need more time. The Epstein list is on my desk. There is no Epstein list with full clown regalia. The desk part refers to a Februa The list is on my desk. A February clip from Fox. that was played of Pam Bondi. Take a listen. The DOJ may be releasing the lis of Jeffrey Epstein's clients. Well, that really happened. It's sitting on my desk right now to review, that's been a directive by President Trump. But here was Attorney General Bondi earlier today. I was asked a question about the client list, and my response was it's sitting on my desk to be reviewe meaning the file along with the MLK files as well. That's what I meant by that. Trump was asked about the memo t by a new York Post reporter, and he expressed indignation. Are you still talking about Jeffrey Epstein? This guy's been talked about for You're asking we have Texas. We have this. We have all of the And are people still talking about this this creep? That is unbelievable. Mr. president, the reason people are talking ab this guy is because people serving in the highest levels of your administration have been talking about this guy for years and talking about how the list, the Epstein list, needs to be re Here's then Republican vice presidential nominee J.D. Vance in October 2024. Everybody in politics has a voic that's much worse than alcoholis is the way that I put it. but we we, released the list, so. Seriously, we need to release the Epstein l That is an important thing. Here's Cash Patel on a podcast just over a year before he became FBI director. Why is the FBI protecting the gr pederast? the largest scale pederast in human history. Simply because of who's on that Dan Bongino, a former Secret Service agent turned rightwing podcaster, is now the FBI deputy director. Here he is on his show in Februa He was named deputy director just a few weeks later. I'm not ever going to let this s go because of what I heard from a source about Bill Clinton on a plane with Jeffrey Epstein. I'm not letting it go ever, ever Bill Clinton spokesperson released a statemen saying that the former president quote, knows nothing about the terrible crimes. We should note the presence of one's name in th does not mean they were involved in any way in sex trafficking, or having sex with any of Epstein's victims. Here is Elena Harbor, now interi attorney for new Jersey. This is her. In February in this case. In Epstein's case, it is incredibly disturbing. We have, flight logs. We have information, names, that will come out. Is it going to be shocking? I don't see how. It's not shocking. I'm shocked that none of that's been released. In February this year, Attorney General Bond teased the imminent arrival of the Epstein Files and President Trump's eldest son Posted about the news, quote, LF an acronym for Let's Effing Go! A week later, the Trump administ invited a slew of conservative MAGA influencers to the white Ho purporting to give them a first look at a batch of documents labeled The Epstein Files Phase But none of it was a smoking gun The vast majority of information had already been made publicly a CNN's Evan Perez reported in March that Attorney General Bondi directed FBI agent in some cases, to drop their work on China and Iran and focus on redacting the files before their release. Remember, Trump made part of thi his platform. Here he is during the 2024 campa Would you declassify the Epstein Yeah, yeah. Oh. All right. I guess I would. I think that less so because, yo you don't know if you don't want to affect peop lives of it's phony stuff in the because it's a lot of phony stuf with that whole world. So what's really going on here? I mean, what's really going on? Well, experts such as our friend Julie Brown from the Miami Herald, who has been covering Ep for years, say that the notion of Epstein having an easy to access client list is likely a red herr And that's what the Trump administration is relying on, that there likely isn't a li per se, but they are also now relying on the fact that because it's MAGA influence who often put forward so many falsehoods, legacy news media won't push the that while there might not be a there are certainly files that can be released. There's a trove of information that the Trump administration has right now refuse to share, information that could well point to the powerful folks who avail themselves of the sex trafficking victims of Jeffrey E If you go, for example, to the F vault online, you can see that there are 22 fi containing thousands of pages. Most of them are heavily redacte Not sure, of course. Redact the names and identifying characteristics of the victims, but why not make the victims testimonies public? As Julie Brown points out, there's still so muc we don't know from the investiga by U.S. attorneys in Miami and in New Yo Witness interviews in the U.S. Virgin Islands and New Mexico. Brown writes that there's still more evidence that hasn't been published, including, quote, Epstein kept video camera in most of his residences and Epstein's autopsy. Nor the report of the investigation into his de has been made public. So while there may not be an official client list to be released, as the administration is now say there's a lot of extra informati that is not being made public, despite Trump's Justice Departme basically now saying, case close this isn't going to go away. When Pam Bondi went on television said, I have a videotape of kids getting abused. I didn't I follow this case clos and I know a lot of the people i As I've told you, I had no idea. I didn't know that really. Thousands of children got raped. Who raped them? Where the rapists like, why aren't they in jail? What? This apartment of justice? Yes. That is so crazy. This is like. This is honestly one of the craziest thi I've ever seen in my entire life And I just think it's very dangerous to play around with this stuff, like, very dangerous. Well, I don't want a revolution, but if you wanted a revolution, this is how you would act. All right. Jamal, what do you th Hearing that from Tucker? Well, first of all, Tucker, is being dangerous by alluding to something like a revolution when we're talking about the MAG Because we know that MAGA forces have been willing to use violenc in pursuit of their political ai We saw it on January 6th. You know, Gretchen said somethin a second ago about is Trump, covering for Pam Bondi. But the question also may be, is Pam Bondi covering for Trump? we just really don't know. Donald Trump has been very force He's a great television performe When the question of Epstein com every time he dissemble, he attacks the reporter. Remember before he released the UFO files, he'll release the JFK files. Will you release the Epstein fil Well, I don't know if we should, you know, do that, people, innocent people may get wrapped up in that. I just think something's going o We gotta keep asking the questio until we find out what's really happening. And they should just released th I mean, right. I mean, that seems to be the poi at this point. And this is something that has been spun up right by, some of the very people who are now saying, I mean, when, when, when Kash Patel and Dan Bonino came out recently and tried to downplay the Epstein, files, they were eviscerated by the MAG Right. And now this is putting the whol on steroids. far-Right activist Laura Luna. G You know, we know Trump listens She has been hammering Pam Bondi on social media as she How come we can't talk about wha a dumb, lying bimbo Pam Bondi is JD Vance, please encourage President Trump to fire Pam Bondi. She's a disgrace. So what do you hear when you hea I mean, look, Laura Loomer we know has had very specific, t influence on Trump, on big decis Yes, in national security, specifically in the last few mon I do think she has Trump's ear. So, you know, I guess we'll just have to wait Trump seemed to be protecting Bondi today, but I think one of the really important poin is in this second administration we have seen a lot of MAGA supporters of Trump come out and be totally against him on really big issues. And what I think is fascinating is that he can go after people who are in groups like lawyers, like members of Congress, all primary you if you don't agree with me, but with these single influencer he's not doing that. And I think that raises a huge q about whether or not he has the power to actually silence them. Right. And, Jim, I guess the whole ques is there really no there there? Or is the question who is covering up for whom? That is the question. Listen, what what is sobering is that, Donald Trump, if this were normal times, Donald Trump, he's got he's turned around on U And there are people in MAGA who are upset about that. He was in this relationship with Elon Musk, who's now turned He was start a party. And so that could maybe peel off Now they've got the Epstein file all these things that would normally take down a regular politician. Donald Trump seems to be able to survive these things. I mean, he's such a political fo it doesn't really matter. But what does happen is the people around him are the ones who catch the break And so the question for Pam Bond is this going to limit her abili to either be an effective attorney general or to even keep her job as attorney general?