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Roshi Max Christensen and the Kunlun System

[Music] [Music] welcome to body of light episode 16 featuring roshi max christensen so this was an extraordinary episode it was a very very deep powerful interview that deeply relates to rainbow body light and many other traditions of light body roshi is a dowist master and he also holds different lineages like ningma different forms of yogas egyptian practices and more so it was really cool to talk to someone who was very immersed in many many different lineages from around the world and to have had masters he says over 30 masters that have taught him practices and secrets from these different lineages that he has put together and developed into a system that he calls kunim at the end of the interview him and his wife showed me some pretty remarkable out of this world hard to believe even photographs on their phones hundreds of them of what they call animations of themselves and their students and what i saw really blew my mind for if they're real it could be one of the most profound and groundbreaking evidence that light body exists that rainbow body can happen what full enlightenment or allowing the full energy that is in balance within our mind body and emotions activated aligned flourishing what does that look like of a human being in that state of we can say full enlightenment or deeply allowing the god source energy with within us to flourish balancing the yang the yang the shiva the shocki what would that look like if someone took a picture of someone in that state and it seems if they're real photos that they have actual evidence that they keep secret you won't see this on their website or publicly but they showed me at the end of the interview and i was just like what what is this and they have hundreds of these photos so that is by itself extremely groundbreaking and extremely fascinating so we talk about in this episode what his lineages are and the different practices he does and holds talk about how do you know if a spiritual practice actually works and is appropriate for a westerner we talk deeply about the different styles and types of light body from different traditions i ask them why would someone want to attain full enlightenment or light body or rainbow body what's the point why do it what happens after of course i ask them one of the main questions of this project is can westerners engage in the western life attain full enlightenment develop a light body experience the side effects of attaining a light body creating a light body reaching this deep state of love compassion joy bliss feeling your emotions fully how does one be like the masters who have do attain rainbow body light body without leaving the western world without removing ourselves from this world from our families from our homes from our lives from our passions without becoming a cave yogi or a hermit how do we stay in the world and still reach or allow the same level of enlightenment or realization or being roshi gives a story where he knows people that witnessed a man westerner attain full light body and dissolve into light i share a personal story of mine and how it relates to the process of awakening we talk about how it's been a secret how the majority of great masters are actually women we discuss on why it's very important to master being a hermit and being fully engaged in the modern world both so this and much more we go over in episode 16 so please enjoy roshi can you give a little bit about the lineages you hold and talk a little bit about this system that you've created just like a general brief overview of of how you came to creating this system what it is and then from there we can talk more specifically about um the gold dragon um rainbow body and maybe how it all relates together yeah and actually ways of attainment probably okay so most people uh well in the old days when i first learned uh i started when i was 9 years old you know i wasn't very well uh i've had wuang masters or dowist uh from hube i've also had kungland masters uh dowist masters from kunan mountain i've had i have a lot of beijing masters who actually were in the beijing psychic research department in china um i've had uh hawaiian masters from the pelu and kolu tradition on the island of kawaii uh let's see what else with the ningma tradition the tibetan buddhist they're yogics were cave lama tradition out of uh nepal pochang monastery my my root guru was ral rimpuche and i also learned from chhaturuche uh i've also was raised with the mongolian shaman tradition of the u darad people of inner mongolia and they were the order of the gold arrow which was the advisers to kublin chinkis khan so my my mongolian name is chulan so i was actually speaking the old tongue when i was born and so uh in the tibetan traditions i'm uh they call me nakpa uh and a lot of people consider me a tuku a a reincarnate of gurum heart disciple uh what else uh i also what i don't practice uh is you know the native american tradition with the apache navajo the red willow society from taos new mexico but my da my teacher had passed um then i belong with again japanese secret traditions um going back also like say these mala uh were made from zui in 534 ad and zuy was the first living buddha of of china and he went to where the bodhic tree was and he he uh had collect these and walked back and then this was passed on to uh kukai master zumu who found the um uh different traditions in japan he was the forest type of uh uh medicine for a better word and then it was passed on to abbe no who was the omioji of japan who's very famous and it was passed on to um who else furu yamamuku who was the last resigning master of this tradition and then to me and so i have these long lineages that go way way back and a lot of these teachings uh that i've learned over most of my life are from uh like a family tradition we call like in china haka village you know you got to be in the family uh i know temple ways but i'm a cave llama i'm a cave person by by nature i'm not really into the dogma of a temple you know it's very ornate very beautiful but if you're really seeking true awakening is that you need to do the old way the cave llama's way uh you know we do cave you in darkness you do sometimes you do three years three months three days my masters did nine years 9 months nine days in caves that particular thing and by nature kunland is alchemy you know using the glands where there's naan and wayan outer elixir and inner elixir we're the inner elixir school in kunland now kunland means the mountain of the immortals it's still very hidden to these days you only hear about the martial art part but not the alchemical part it means the path of no more learning and i created the coolant system from all my many many masters over my life and to honor them all i couldn't just say japanese name or chinese name or mongolian so i called it kungland because if you go to kungland mountain uh every mass from every tradition who gets the rainbow body light body moka you know the woo body the body of emptiness they they end up in quinland mountain and this is where the we believe in our tradition where everything kind of begun where the masters came from sky taught the people different things and so you know shamans are actually the first person to learn these things and then later on became more organized became daoism you know and then it spread to different areas and so like in china you see what's called the tiger shaman and this is the that tradition is where usually the when daoism and shamanis will kind of merge together and it can spread everywhere but the most hidden and the most i would say difficult teaching is the body of light uh you know and there's so many variations people tell you so but the real teachings there's outer and there's inner and there's secret so there's outer path which people learn the the movements inner is the breathing meditation but then the secret to getting it is the transfer of lineage is mind to mind but the person has to prepare for it and you know in these days in the modern day you won't find these things so example if you look in the modern world 99% of mystery school is fire path yoga if you see yoga in every corner you know it don't have the real thing it's just the outer and so before fire path which is not talked about before condundalini all these things was the water path and we're the water path and in united states there's only two people that teach uh but openly you know the great secrets so far people found that i'm the only one and then before the water path was the wind path and before we got distracted by the outer world and so this is a mind-to- mind tradition in the old days everybody was open they were close to nature but now being modern everything shuts down so we have to take time to open up and everybody is awakened already and enlightened but they just don't realize it it's because they have the shadows of the mind you know people tell you you can't do it or it's impossible i've even had old masters say "well we can't do these things these days the world does not support it." so i didn't believe my teachers and i went out i said "well i'm going to do it." so i go in cave retreats i would go on mountaintop retreats you know i'd be i'd in new mexico in the desert for many years and that's how i create equivalent system because many masters unfortunately don't have the complete knowledge or because you're not chinese or korean or japanese some say well you can only teach your bloodlines you know you can only teach this person or that person and i believe that's really wrong because if you you peel the skin off somebody you can't tell if somebody's black or white or green you know and so because you're a human being that already you have all these things you don't there's no dogma in kunland it's if you do a bc you connect with nature you have a childlike nature and if you just do it no there's no magic no no like harry fairy stuff you just do it you live your art most human beings they practice here do their work da da da da and they practice an hour here and an hour there and they complain "well why don't i get it?" well you gotta live your art constantly from the moment you wake up to the moment you sleep you said you spent time actually in doing retreats and caves and such yeah yes majority of my time i am uh when i'm not when we're not teaching me and dawi my wife is not teaching we are um we go to caves so we just came from cave in mexico you know we do we cave retreat my students uh i whenever i find a good cave i'll go there if i can it we go to nature you know you have to be in nature that's the way of tao some americans call to tao but tao and you need to be out in nature to get this this knowledge this awakening you can't get it just sitting in a room going meditating all day it has to be a living practice not just this we say body mind and spirit must all work together at the same time but most people i find in the m they meditate they're good for 5 10 15 minutes and then they start thinking and they start getting antsy they don't want to do it you know they want the immediate result but in the traditional way the old masters like in the west for example and even in the east you're saying well i have to do this this this this so we think more is better and the ancient masters of kungan maan which i'm belong with too um the shangqing motor is that you take one method and you practice it you master it we say knowledge of many and master of none so if you take one method so you have an outer inner and a secret way so you have an outer inner secret so you have a kunland method you have a method opens up the brain potentials you know there's nine gates in the brain that must be open for a gold dragon body and we call it hoou the steps of heaven and it's written in books but it's uh how do you say hidden you have to read what the words really mean like the ling pa the heavenly register there's so many books but in our kung tradition we don't read the books we do direct experience don't listen what anybody says do the practice find out yourself we also say when you uh you learn from somebody you know look at the lineage make sure it works but a teacher can say anything he wants look at the students see what they have attained that tells you if it works or not and the majority a lot of our students you know those who've been with me for a while all have manifestations it works you just have to do it and there can't be no if and but maybe like maybe oh i don't feel like doing it do or do not there's no halfway in awakening you are awake but you have to realize what you are so first we become aware there's a path then maybe we walk the path become aware and then go "aha it's awake it's always been there." but the dowists always say "well in the beginning of the path of enlightenment toward gold dragon body rainbow body tea is tea." when you master the tea tea is like the greatest elixir of immortality but when you're done tea is just tea so the thing is enlightenment that comes before death during or after and most people like in tibet rainbow body happens during and most certainly after but then if you're you do it during well you're kind of how do you say occupied you're trying to find the road map where am i what's going on you're distracted now you can get awakening enlightenment after but enlightenment means well after i have no body to manifest it so kun people and dowist masters do it before that's why they divide the dowist masters into the earthbound the valley dowist and the sky dowist so kunan is considered between mountain and sky so we can be here but we can be at the other world too but we don't pick your path we we show you your path what works best for you based on age uh where you live in the world male or female your interest a lot of people don't want wakening go dragon body they just want to be healthy or you just want to be h happy well that's fine you know that's a form of awakening but eventually human beings come here to find their original state with who they were before they pass on otherwise saying when you pass on it's like in the buddhist you know traditions and that 49 days after you pass you come back and do it again now who wants to do that a lot of people don't realize that because they forget then you have to do the whole shim over again when you can just finish it now and then you can do what you want to do and golden dragon rainbow body mosha like in mary magdalena school indonesia moa their rainbow body taught by the night templar were actually is very big in indonesia that's why the templars were killed by people in the old days because they held the secret now go dragon body uh we in our tradition of kunland we have go dragon body where the body converts from matter into energy and back into matter again now in the west they go this is impossible but no it isn't if you go to the east they look at us like why can't you do it it's not in our culture and so then the go dragon body at one time was called you know then there was the woo body is the body of emptiness other dows call it the diamond body so there's different names for the same thing but we specialize in gold dragon body and the red phoenix body now you probably haven't heard about this one and you know a lot the oldest master in our tradition was 108 when he did it uh some of our masters were in a restaurant gives his teach his student a book has his tea we call yumcha chinese breakfast and he does his practice in the chinese restaurant a burst of light and he's gone the greatest master in our tradition is like bringing on a spontaneous human combustion is that he uh he was very old-looking and when he caught fire for better word as a form of illumination is it not well he left relics like the buddha on the ground and like i was showing you like in the buddha relics but if you can see in here there's these crystals this is from sakamuni buddha when he attained his rainbow body i have many relics like that and so this master even he's chinese he was he left these relics over 200 of them so if you go to a temple llamas and all tibetan traditions will show you the relics they call in thailand and they could be crystals or flowers their bones can form statues gurimpoche for example who had the body of light he was like the earliest quantum physicist he could put his hand on solid stone showing the illusion of things his disciples may see his body emanation on a in a cave and all a sudden the llama's feet sinks into the ground like it's mud you know because the grace of gutuche padmas and baba but we have these in our kun tradition we have many masters like that and a lot of people say well these things can't be quantified or you know can't be proven well long ago the army came and saw me and did many medical tests bio physicists ucla los alamos nasa ch china's beijing psychic research department all did this um examination of our kunland system and were very surprised because it opened dormant dna it opened the dormant brain it affected you know the the monk whoever practiced it could affect the body the bicaminate light there was the sea days those are all side effects of your path but a lot of people get too attached to those things they're just side effects but long ago all human beings possess this but then many things happened in the past jealousy between you know schools and this and that and so one master would take one part one master takes another part and why you don't see the gold dragon or rainbow body in the west so much or anywhere actually even asia you can't really find it anymore or india the real accomplished masters is because what has happened to the real arts now is say a master's attained his enlightenment but he has no trust of a student so he hides a little bit from his student so that now that student who's getting his graduation his awakening well i'm going to be i better keep a little secret because i have to be better than my it now look at many generations go by you're losing knowledge of the whole system and then people put fillers in like there's something missing so i decided most people don't have the luxury these days to go to a temple they got job family and so i said well what do we need what can we do to help what am i going to do with this knowledge of all these masters they gave me the best of their knowledge before they passed on says give this and i want you to create a system in two years i had 30 plus masters gave me their secrets when i went to beijing he says now you have two years i want you to make a system that will give the gold dragon body now me a westerner you know i was scientific and everything i said okay well i i took two years retreat on a mountain in to new mexico and i created the system took the best of each one so i looked at all the systems said what is the root they all have in common take away the names take away the deities take away the pictures what is the root that gives the flowers their illuminosity and so i found the root and i taught to a small select group in tos mexico in the beginning the root it did not take long and my teachers we we they saw me you know a little later and my masters go well let's see what happened and i had my students there and they all showed their things and they were very very happy with the result and even masters i have a student con in japan who's attained he's like a mahasid lab now he's attained the gold dragon body and the scientists in japan have studied him and the masters actually came from china from our clan the grand masters to see him and they said well you took our art up to a who level so i had masters from mao shan the shanqing order come to see my friend japan and he said well maan is known for certain mystical things but he said well you just took up to a new level and what's so nice it doesn't take 40 years 50 years you can get immediate results very quickly where you have a weekend and a person can practice this and their health you know you're going to go through a lot of changes that's the true path you're going to constant change just the way of the towel and what happens that all of a sudden emotions come up near-death experiences we call the little death the brain opens up this opens up there are many eyes in the body and they might be the first class it's that quick because it's a true knowledge it's not candycoded it's from a living lineage and my responsibility was to pass this on and so that's why i've i never thought i was going to do this you know i never thought well i am going to teach gold dragon i don't teach rainbow body that cuz i specialize in the dowist way and so when i went to hawaii after i went back i went to tibet for a period of time and i came back you know i'm a llama and i said "okay i'm going to open up a small school." and i lived in a hotel in chinatown in honolulu and so i was teaching in the pool room and i had 12 students and in two years it grew worldwide that's how fast it moved because people were having that many results and so then we get people from all over the world started coming and even other masters started coming because they were stuck they like where do i go from here because one master in china will read a book from another master when he got stuck because that master read from another one because nobody really uh makes it for the modern day they want you to be in a temple you know it'd be do this do that and it's limited you limit yourself it's dogmatic and a lot of my masters you know i told them this won't work in this modern day it's too dogmatic you have to free the person's mind free the person's heart let them go out and do the walkabout you know see what they have i've even taken students to china to uh these old temples and i've met gr i've met mahasides i've met uh dowist masters who again give an example when i was developing the system after developed it i took a group of five six people i went to tibet and i went to leong and i went to the dragon gate temple now i was saying is there any master here can i talk to your abbot that knows about the body of light you know the go the the they call it the woo body or the diamond body oh our llamas don't do that no masters do that anymore it don't exist i says "well who's your greatest master here?" so there's a there's a man he lives in this little like 10x10 little house he hides from the government he runs everywhere and he comes back here but nobody can understand his language i said "this guy sounds interesting can i meet him?" he says "well nobody understands him." so i went in there and then his disciples came in his disciples gave us tea his disciple was in his 80s and so tell me about this master well he taught my father when he was six or seven and taught his father when he was six or seven and so i come in there and i say "okay here's the master's disciples there's four of them here's my students they only practice two or three weeks a month a year at the most and here's this old this not even an old master he did like 30 long black hair dark skin all black eyes means he's attained the dao and i went i went "sifu." cifu means teacher i didn't know what else to call him and he just looked at me opened his eyes all black and he started yelling at me and i go "why are you yelling at me?" and he goes "you're late i've been waiting here for three days for you sitting here waiting for you to come here and i go "well i don't even know i was supposed to be here it was just a whim i found the dory dra and you know i found this temple on the strangen gate temple." and he goes "well if you were born back in china you have two or three of the the awakening powers you would awakened it long ago." and i got i got adm and so he looked at my students he goes "how long have they been practicing?" he did mind to mind they don't speak two weeks a month a year he says "they're all surpassed my students who've been with me for 20 years what did you teach them?" and so i told him about kland and he shook his head and he smiled and i was surprised but then he says "we have to keep contact." and so okay and then what happened is the government came in the next day and tried to get rid of him they don't want those things anymore to be known so he had to run away i never saw him again and his age he'd bring out a document was over 400 years old so you think you look in the west said "well the oldest person died on on youtube or internet he was 108 106." not really this guy was a we call a sky immortal a can and so he actually gave me some little bit of secrets to put into the kun system what an extraordinary extraordinary life you've lived my friend the real path is not easy and even my wife d she would tell you it's difficult there's a lot of sacrifice a lot of discomfort you have mental discomfort physical you have to you're always tested you know that's that's the true path and many people once you get slapped on the hand once by the other side like you got to face this reality they quit it's called diamond body and by the dowist tradition so we're in kun we call dragon body go dragon and then other daist call diamond body but the ancient ways in the shamanic way when it was becoming daoism was known as the woo body or the body of emptiness it seems like many different spiritual traditions and systems have their own form their own version of light body the tibetans have rainbow body dowist diamond body it seems like the goal is the same but the practice is different would you agree like for in tibetan buddhism for example some of the llamas shrink or they leave relics of teeth hair nails what is what what's that all about is it do you feel like it's all the same one goal same outcome different forms of meeting that goal or what no there are different different levels of the light body manifestation there's one where it's like the complete annihilation like in red dragon where there's nothing left not even nails and hair but relics can be left behind then there is the uh vast transference rainbow body and the lesser vehicle and a lot of the lesser vehicles from what i understand and have seen is the body as you said shrinks and then what they do is it shrinks to about maybe like its doll size because remember we're 99% airspace so we're just our matter is condensing because we're 99% of airspace there's nothing there so that's just going back we say going back to one's primordial self in the dowist way you know there's you buy becomes transparent like milk uh some people will stay uh in the hawaiian way kahuna way they get the aka body the body of light well it looks like this but there's no shadow my my tutu my auntie had that did not cast a shadow she was kahuna which is like a shaman for the elite the royalty if you look at uh diamond body there are many variations some you go all the way some she has a mental enlightenment some's a physical some it's both if you look at uh the less the greater vehicle of rainbow body well there's only the nails and hair left and why is that because there's no nerve endings that's why it stays uh some masters like you know padma everything goes but then they can also reerect themselves they can come back into physical form so they can create the hologram for temporary amount of time but only those students who are perceptive can see them well if you're in that say a llama who's very perceptive he's done his practice rainbow body he starts to emanate light well what happens if his students are near him it's an electromagnetic field that means that say well i'm seeing buddhuche all of a sudden my students can see them because they're in my my field of influence my cultivated field and so some people may see it next to you others may not some people uh emanate light uh in broad daylight some in a dark cave but as you get more awakened and the bobby loses its uh physical matter is form the light gets brighter uh in our tradition of kunlan when you're attaining the uh rainbow not rain body excuse me diamond body uh or gold dragon body based when you want to call it it usually happens at sunrise when the first rays hit you almost like in the school of anubis it happens after we call the walk of the pharaohs i belong to the school of anubis also out of cairo and there's something called the walk of the pharaohs and they start at sunset and they walk all the way through the night through this long corridor and reciting different secret things and at sunrise there's a big mirror and the raw light of rah or the sun shines on that mirror and it shines on the chest and they have a certain breath practice called the saw breath the forbidden breath of egypt and what happens the bike converts to light so you become ra osiris the awakened man so there's many many many forms of it i studied all these traditions you know i've been to and my wife we've been to egypt william william henry who you know jj herac knows us all these guys know us and we research these things so i'm constantly even now where i am i'm constantly looking for the ancient secret sometimes they come or something comes and shows oh this is something that belongs in the kunlan and uh i always uh i'm very we're very practical in teaching we don't make mystical things and you know candy cone go blah blah blah and this you are all you need you don't need a spirit outside you you don't need you know somebody walking your hand all the way to the door you're already there in the human path this is the only place that does time but human beings need to know like where do i stand on the path that's why we need time where i am where i've been and where i'm going so we know we think we're doing something but we're actually already there in nonspatial reality when you're in a new non-dualistic area it's like a circle oh i'm realizing there is no beginning or ending on the path then you realize i am the path well you're on the point there is nowhere to go everything is inside as millera the famous yogi said in tibet i don't visit temples of gold or to these big mountains i stay in the cave because the brightest temple is inside oneself the highest mountain is inside oneself but human beings need to search they need to find things and realize "oh there's nothing here i read books i go to seminars i go to temple." and they get so dismayed because they're grabbing they're grasping and then the moment they i give up i surrender the towel okay now you're open then all of a sudden a book may come out and fall on your lap or a something may appear a sign or you get a call like "hey i'm going to learn from this special this guy." the universe tells you what you need when you're ready as long as you're looking you'll never find what you're seeking so the dowist say "in order to go forward go back in order to come full become empty do without doing this is the way most people want me to sound very mystical and very you know we're very practical you find out like in tibet crazy wisdom you'll start to laugh hysterically and realize how simple it was but we need to do the search that's part of the human being what do you feel or believe is the reason behind all this why why why have light body why attain this state of realization it seems like it's a goal for some at least it could be spontaneous maybe i don't know if there's spontaneous light body but it seems at least in tibet that a lot of the llamas and yogis and such that attain light body they know it's going to happen what what do you think happens after like why what's the reason behind wanting this all right well this will sound a little strange most people but a lot of science a lot of people who know will understand what i'm saying now everything that you see all experiences just from one original mind the towel the great mystery is one original mind so what you call the creator aspect so the creator knowing all things and we are it that's a human means godlike physical form in all traditions we're saying like "okay i know everything what am i going to do to perfect myself?" so we started to embody oursel into a light body one step below this original mindset but we're still unlimited with pure energy pure thought so how do i do more so we intentionally created this environment of limitation so an unlimited mind coming into a small s insignificant little thing like this in the beginning and we close oursel off intentionally because we want to learn what it's like to be unlimited fully awakened in a physical state in the lowest vibratory pattern that we can physical realize oursel in that way our mind here the rich one can go surpass its own self and so in our dna junk dna you want to call it it's pro basically it's a it's a program and our practices awaken that dormant dna that's where gen um uh cedays come from insights abilities and uh when we do this we're starting to realize hey there's something more but we don't realize that we're going back to where we came from what we originally are but we intentionally made it difficult any life in the universe will tell you being a human in this world is the most difficult test for a spiritual being you had to go through all my different constellations before you ended up here and it's sim similar to what they like the black hats in tibet would say one student asked the llama who attain rainbow body well what do you do after you go here after you finished here on earth what do we do he says well i go to one of 12 constellations to teach those beings to become human see so being a human beyond technology beyond everything is the highest state but a lot of people say "oh i hate to be here." well you picked it you know you just don't realize what you've picked but you've mastered every other mystery school which is connected to the celestial events celestial school and you came into this world to perfect the final step that's what earth is the final step so then you become celestial masters and they talk about this in all traditions you become celestial or skyclad or um we call tien sky immortals to bring those people here to become human so you know it's it it takes many lives if you knew all your lives you would totally be unhappy because oh this is a prison because i remember everything and you try to push yourself back you can't force nature water goes where it needs to go so so you got fire path and then you got the water and then you got the air and you got the void and you got the towel it's all encircled so you're going through these different steps you know there's a lot of things in the ancient school they would tell you that if i told the modern practitioners they would be very upset i'll give you an idea when buddhist had his students made them do breathing exercises doing all kinds of meditations and then one day he decided to say his students goes well how do i get awakening well there is no awakening there is no forward no back no full no empty no path no enlightenment no life no death no practice no they got upset they spent years and years to cultivate and then the buddha tells them that many went away they couldn't understand what he was saying those are all preparations to get you into a certain state of surrender and if you surrender from here so give an example in yoga you have the you have the shush sun moon channels and the thrusting channel we call or shushune so it's the channels of clarity you collapse those in yoga like in kundalini or hata yoga or ati or anu and you shoot it up here and you open up you open up the pedal lotus and then you get awakening well you notice many don't get awakened because and they won't like this what's against the flow think about it the dowist the great masters in india worship the three rivers like the ganes yellow river and all the nile and all this what did it really represent well the inner you have a main channel like the lake and you got the stream and you got the you know the small creeks so it's like a roots of a tree so you're filled the water path as you fill from here it flows down the channels and then it branches off and branches off that's why your arteries and your veins all look this way like lightning hits it follows nature's rule so it's easy to feel from here in water path and there's no damage you notice a lot of people in fire path if they have a good master they have sicknesses come up or mental aberrations why is this why can't they get awakening you're trying to so you got the river filling here so it's filling up everything but how do you feel the river when you're trying to fill it upward against the path through the creek so now you only get a little of the chi going through or prana or ki and then you have to fill up this and then fill up the bigger thing see how it takes so long but if you fill from this way like in uh ka yog you fill from this way you have an overabundance see now you can open up the nine gates of the brain easily and it's not a sophisticated thing and kunland to get the body of light it's not complicated the ancient ways the old masters didn't teach you complicated ways because they were different they were in nature they they were human beings they we've lost what we are and so we're too distracted and so when you learn like the water path you're filling up all these that's why you don't get injured it heals up injury say i have we have a lot of people who had other masters but they got hurt because maybe it went up a wrong channel because chi dispersion or they overheated or their organs didn't work right so kunland the water path light body we're perfect inside we have a perfect light body this is not matched so when we came from the towel we this is the energetic the dragon body and this is the the body being form was perfect our mind was also like this but then we started doing this see and we separate our truth who we really are from what we think we are so all of a sudden it comes back that's why we shake we laugh we get bliss and all of a sudden we become empty like hey nothing's happening you think you're doing something wrong no you're still because now the gold dragon body is changing it's transferring into the genetics of the human being the cells replicate takes a new program and the cells which again are just light frozen light that's all we are starts to resonate with that original vibration that's when you get all the great gifts come that's why you don't age as much as your other friends that's why you start don't take it so serious the path you know you're where you need to be but a lot of people say "well i'm 80 years old i got to hurry up i don't got much time." no that's a mindset the mind never ages why does people think the that way is because they think like i'm an old man practicing right if you act old your body reflects it that means your chi your energy goes low quinnland is alchemy it takes all the energy of the glands salt sulfur mercury right and we mix them together there's your elixir of immortality we call the dragon or phoenix elixir uh it's similar to the we call the parad stone in india they take the mercury stone they can take mercury it's liquefied and it can solidify it make it non-toxic so there's three different stones there's a silver stone and then there's the red stone of mercury and then there's the amnestone you know that changes base metals into gold so alchemy gold dragon body is alchemy but at a spiritual energetic level it's nothing with the physical body give an example if you look at a tradition like say you say you do your chakra system now you know you got the you got your energy centers you know every system has something different it's all the same but here's the secret if you ever looked at guru rimpuche panmas and baba his pictures or rainbow body channels do you notice he don't use that lower channel the lower danten or the har because it doesn't if you work on this one in the beginning it's good you stabilize you should only use this one this is the katika channel the channel of clarity and so what it is is that uh when you just do the katika channel there's no having to turn this is taught a lot in tibet to the yogis uh in buddhism they call when the drop the drip go the drop goes into the wishfulfilling ocean again dropping the mind here is the secret of a lot of the light body majority 99% masters don't tell you this is that it you take the mind and once the crown is open it drips down the amate you call the soma you call the dragon elixir and it merges here bliss and emptiness the mind this is in buddhism and you get this the heart flows inside out and the rainbow body or dragon body starts to affect you we don't use lower danten we don't use solar plexus in our tradition as fire path people if you're only a wind path person this is your this is your path right here when you do the void path it's only here so then there's many eyes in the body there's this one we call for duality everybody does this one but they really don't understand it's oh yeah i see aura i see light i see spirit that's okay but is it going to get you anywhere no it's good for here you know but you get attached this if you look at guru and puche the two centers here are always connected this is the true that you should use but then there's a secret eye here where the sutures come together you see you can see my sutures easy these should be free moving the skull bones at birth awakening and deathly open so this this is so the spirit gate can open up most time it's calcified and it's closed so we need to open that that's why tibet they call poa the opening of the crown then they put a piece of grass and you walk around you know krishka grass and that's a sign of accomplishment so when you pass on you go up to that gate you know now and go dragon by let's say diamond body the the dowist make another body and then they project their spirit up through it now this is why i have a little disagreement with some of my dowist masters but then he said oh you know you got a point so example in some dowist tradition we create the golden embryo and we grow the embryo and we bring the body above and then we connect this thrusting channel up through and we bring our spirit in and we travel through right through the the ethers the astral realm now why should i create something that's already there where do you dream at night you already have one so why should i create one kind of see my thing now that astral body is actually a part of the dragon body why not just do the dragon body and you'll find out as you are awakening dreams become less and less because you exist in many quantum realities your dragon body parts the original mind are there so you don't know you're always leaping back and forth through these based on your thoughts decisions you don't realize it so fast so what we're doing go dragon body they start to come together and they emerge into one body when all of these different quantum mind states of yourself come into one body and happens naturally you don't have to think about it that's when the body of light starts to emanate so it's not a question of energy it's a question of opening everything it's already there it's what's blocking us from experiencing it i guess you can say right the only thing blocking is the mind one of the main questions i'm asking everyone is about westerners practicing this and having westerners achieve this level of light body having a light body because it seems from my research and experience that many people who attain light body and i focus i've been focusing mainly on the tibetans the rainbow body is that the a lot of people who have light body have spent many many years in caves and doing specific ific practices being hermits dedicating their entire life to practices that have a specific result and there's lay people too who you know who have families but have light body as well so is it possible that people living in the west engaged in western affairs like myself i have a family and i'm creating this documentary i i love my life i love being on earth i but i'm also pay bills and i'm engaged with western things can someone like me on the path attain the same level of realization attain light body while still being involved in the western life is it possible and if so how and if not why not well we say in our tradition the east must come to the west and the west must come to the east they've reached their apex of spirituality but not the material world so they're getting all this stuff now but we had all the material so all the spiritual things coming to us now but you have to be selective on what you find and what you practice if you you can't practice many different systems because the energy flows are different the times are different so you got to know stick to one system that fits you now as being a lay person example of yourself and you know we're lay people too i mean my wife doesn't go cave retreating unless we're doing a class she's computer and you know doing all the mundane stuff and you know we're doing all this outside stuff too and yes you can attain it there's no limitation it's a belief system you know uh the world is meant to distract you of course but when you sit down let the world go you set a time and you just do it and you don't think about you just live that moment and you're going to find that when you practice it enough you get the mindset when you're in between worlds your mind that mindset can naturally come in between the gaps that's living your art you will naturally start to have these practices so all of a sudden now say i'm having tea in the morning and you're looking at your phone and all of a sudden you start seeing fractals or you start feeling your body moves or it starts you start giggling or you start going to an altered state remember the physical practices is to induce the proper mindset combined with the energy that opens up the dormant parts of the brain that makes it happen so no you don't have to be like sitting like this and you know like like a monk in a cave that's just how i was raised majority of the people that we we have our students and my my wife you know she you know work on the computer and all a sudden the energy just flows up you know it's based on also celestial events at certain times the energy flows because we train oursel so if i'm say she's doing computer and our energy opens at 11 our meridian's open at 11:00 a.m oh a sudden she's doing it 11:00 a.m the body starts to react you're still attaining that's the do without doing and it's so subtle it's not so big kaboom that people want some big kaboom the most subtle is the most profound and all of a sudden like we like to take pictures right and all of a sudden you said "well i'm never going to get this." take a picture and there's the emanations because we're not looking for something to happen we already have it as crazy wisdom the thing is surrender here's the secret like body surrender a childlike nature nonattachment no simple thing don't attach to anything and yes you know you could be very awake enlightened and yes you're a human in a human body you're going to get angry you'll get laughy you get s sorrow you'll feel things that's part of being a human being if a master says "well i feel absolutely nothing i feel no pain no emotions." that's not a human being see a lot of traditions uh make you purge yourself of emotions oh the body is not like in india the body is not important let it die you know they abuse it without this it's very hard to get a human body without this you're not going anywhere all right you're just going to keep doing it over and over and over and if our paths cross for a reason oh it was like by accident everything's been pre-ordained by each of us before we come here that is if you look in the dualistic mind but if you look at in the higher mind we planned this long ago everyone you meet you can learn something from and it's the people you don't like to be around is those that reflect like we call mind mirror what you need to see in yourself because a lot of people you look at even yourself or women you go in the mirror in the morning go oh i hate what i see because we are reflections of other people's desires when you're a kid kids said you're fat you're ugly you change yourself so you'll get picked on you do that your whole life now you don't even know what you are you put on more makeup than a mortician does on a corpse because you don't like what you see so you're doing rainbow body go dragon body and you know rainbow body is harder than go dragon if you can't visualize and stuff like that and this is all feeling art and all of a sudden you start to look in the mirror when you release these things hey i don't look that bad you know and you started to really see yourself and not what people thought you supposed to be and so when you really see that emotions come up yeah you'll get angry you'll get upset but let it go it's not going to do you any good because when you get gold dragon body you have to refine your rough five elements your rough five emotions because each emotion in gold dragon body responds to an organ so my organ of my liver hurts oh you're angry it's not from your drinking drinking causes anger you got to purge your anger because that's part of your mind we say in dowism there's a spirit in each organ well that's your own mindset so you have to look at your own mind at the things you don't want to see people want to see the nice things but then but those nice things are not going to make you move forward it's the lessons you don't want to see so fear is number one fear is something you don't understand once you understand it there's no more fear it's a positive thing ready to happen the other thing that holds people back from enlightenment and go dragon body is the fear of death why pain unknown but when you practice go dragon body you're going to have so many dry runs of moving out of this shell in and out constantly that you know the road map like a shaman you know the road map and people say "well i'm afraid of dying." i said "well how old are you?" "oh i'm say i'm 20 years old." how many times do you sleep a year 365 days in our tradition and other traditions say sleep is a practice for death it imitates death the physical symptoms and your spirit leaving when you dream but you're unaware because you black out you're unconscious before the movements actually occur now 20 years old 365 days that you've died not realizing it times that by 20 365 days how many times have you died in your life we need to make our mind aware of what's going on then you realize it's like changing a suit i can tell you i've had so many experiences i can tell you this and i it's been documented doctors know everything i've been impaled through the chest in a car accident survived that i've been falling through the ice under the ice for 20 minutes in lake michigan i've been i've been hit by a car three times you know i've been hit by lightning bit by a rattlesnake bit by a cobra hard stop put in a morg freezer woke up the next day fine i can tell you all these things and it's been documents it's not all why kundlin gold dragon body rainbow body it's like a a capacitor it holds so much spiritual energy that when you physically need it like a deposit in a bank it flows into you and helps you so besides the awakening effect there's the medicinal the healing effect also that's why many masters you can just walk near them the teaching presence and that overabundance they call it sheni or or or wayi all of a sudden hey i feel good or they start to shake or their illness goes away that's what the old masters the buddhas and the buddha sattvas the nagas all those different masters had that awakening is there an overall difference besides being from different traditions of the gold dragon and the rainbow body is it the same outcome just different systems going to the same same different paths going to the same well all the paths lead to first purification opening meridians opening the mind you know getting to a certain mind state to be receptive to reabsorbing what you really are uh but then when you get to the higher end well go dragon body we go from matter into energy and back into matter but you can stay if you want you can control the the amount or the level that you attain that uh so most people we just let it happen itself naturally and rainbow body based on the variation what you're taught by your llama well there might be the lesser vehicle where there's the body is left over the spirit goes then there's the middle vehicle where there's like the nails and the hair are left but the body is you know gone but then at the most ultimate level it's all considered positive you know accomplishment the highest highest level where there is no body no nails no hair there's an implosion and then a flash of light you know and there's signs too give an example in rainbow body where i see my masters is in broad daylight you'll see this rainbow light around them and my wife has this in the cave you can see then there are like in rainbow like in our dragon body well there is a light that you start to see if someone is sensitive but uh at times sometimes those masks just disappear just like that you just say okay i'm done so your thoughts you have to be careful you know especially if you're a householder you know so you got the householder sometimes the body gets so dense not so dense so energized that it wants to dissipate law thermodynamics if you understand is that when you have a concentrated energy in open space it wants to expand till there's a balance between its environment and itself that's a dispersion of the light so we have to mentally do a practice to keep it condensed in the channel so that's for those uh go dragon people who want to stay here now red phoenix body is no staying here it's a one-way trip there's an implosion a flash of red light and a smoke uh there are spontaneous human combustion and some leave relics others don't and it's a one-way trip i taught two people in my life that and they were paralyzed from the neck down and that was in hawaii and so uh he wanted to give his awakening but i said "well i've been paralyzed in my bed for 20 years." i said "well you have nothing better to do let's do the practice." and he attained it and i had to teach some of my students a lesson and he said "well we want to attain it." and you know you get people who are the privileged mind type people he said "okay i'm going to take you to a person who's very cultivated." and i took a group of these people after a morg tour i used to take people to morg tours in hawaii and we went to this house into the room and my friend was laying with a sheet and he was on the bed looking up at the ceiling he has a mirror for tv you know you can watch and it made the people feel uncomfortable says "you guys wait here." and i closed the door and he said "and then i came back in and i want to just watch the reaction and i said 'well i went back and said 'who who do you of you think you can attain the body of light for a better word in the west i call body of light and i said do you think you can attain it and everybody go yeah yeah yeah yeah i said what about him on the bed he's paralyzed and he go no impossible goes why is that and he started crying and he said did they hurt your feelings he goes no i feel sorry for these people they're so distracted they make so most excuses and they're judgmental he says "i have all the time in the world to practice cuz i have nowhere to go except looking up at the ceiling." after that in two years he attained the body of light he attained gold dragon body and this was a westerner he what did he what happened to him when he died yeah he had a car accident his neck was broken but you say he attained go gold golden dread what does that mean he attained it did he disappear yeah he attain he did attain it and this was witnessed by his whole family witnessed by his wife you know witness by his son and and some neighbors and it happened in the evening time around 7:00 7:30 and they noticed like why is this light so bright and they came in there and even a priest they called the priest he thought he was dying and and they were like what is this light that's coming out it was from him it was a very soft white light but then it just like you look at the road with the uh mirage in the distance the vapory kind of look that's what it looked like i wasn't there i wasn't able to get there in time it happened very quick and there was nothing left over but the clothes he was wearing and the sheet do you know other westerners who have this has happened to people living in the west in see that's an extreme example right too though he was paralyzed he was in a bed i'm i'm wondering if people who don't get out of the flow of the hustle and the bustle and the art and whatever they're doing whether they're parents or they're running a business if they do that their whole life can can you still reach that same level can you still reach light body or do you need that extreme whatever yeah yeah you see you can be anybody want you could be the king uh of a and then say you know how king sits on his throne and he wants to attain light body but he can't because he's busy with his kingdom well buddha gave a practice that he he attained it while he's on his throne but yes a lot of my uh friends students who who practice who's been with me will just be practicing and they'll be doing their work and their their wife will take a picture or their husband take a picture and they're having the eination show up and why is it on a camera because a camera doesn't judge like a human being it can pick up ultraviolet and infrared light and the law the light manifestations of gold dragon body you start emanating infrared light first chi healers chi masters emit infrared light mass who heal in presence in their field is infrared light far and near that's what heals the body eventually then they start emitting ultraviolet light and so you can barely see it but then when you see it uh all of a sudden like what is this well that's the gold dragon body starting to push its way out and taking over the physical body so yeah i could be raking the yard playing on a computer uh sitting on a bus and practicing and it can and you can even if it's a it's not how long you do it it's quality not quantity if you do in the right mind state for 20 minutes it's better than doing hours on end you know sitting here in our tradition of kland my teachers never taught me sit cross-legged why well you lose well one you you know they said well you know if you if your feet are crossed you get hip problems because in the west our body is not designed for that he said you sit on the on the chair with your feet flat on the ground why grounded heaven and earth must meet for energy to flow a lot of people in fire bath they close off the earth element to allow the fire to rise but what is the hardship of this type of body and my a lot of yogis i know in tibet that i know is they had problems with health after why the fire goes up consuming fire there's no balance no middle path as the buddha says where's the water element to cool the fire so you get what's called the steaming process the slow burning fast burning damages the body slow fire doesn't so that's why you got to learn your system and understand the the balance between fire and water both physically and mentally and that means the kidneys and the heart and kinland are two important things so no matter what i'm doing in the world as long as i the fire of the heart my emotions are calmed by the water of peacefulness childlike nature slow burning fire then that slow burning fire nourishes the kidney don't dry out the kidneys why you see people not attaining rainbow body in kland in the west i say they do the practice is because they're imbalancing themsel so give an example if i'm the heart is fire now what cools the fire is the water kidneys now my kidneys are weak because my mind takes 90% of the energy when i sleep okay my body is not running off much my elements to make my go dragon work is off now i have to recharge that's why you sleep a lot now when the fire gets strong what does fire do to a tree it burns it fire element relates to the liver now i got liver pain i'm getting angry which makes the fire worse so then i try to breathe i you know strong to relax i'm fanning the fire making it hotter so now the liver is hurting fire burns the trees returns to earth now my spleen hurts representing earth now i have no grounding that's the destructive five element cycle in all body of light practices you have to balance the five elements some traditions use four but you have to balance the mind elements more than the physical because the mind the body is a reflection of the mind it's positive nature attribute so by balancing this the body comes into balance but in other traditions we do the fire but we don't care about the mind you got to do both the inner and the outer must be complete you can't it makes the heart without the soft and is that what you're doing in your system is you're finding that balance that's alchemy and is it tailor yeah yeah because each organ also connects to a gland so our salt sulfur mercury the concepts of alchemy well pineal gland the secretions the pituitary gland the thymus gland the adrenal glands when you're doing kundlan the body of light the first thing that gets regenerated is your glands the second one is your organs then the nerves and then the bone because especially for us old people when we get older the bone marrow which should be red and rich this is alchemy it turns to yellow fat fragile we're burning out that fat like in tibet they do tumo psychic heat to burn out the fat that's why they can generate heat you know like melting snow that kind of stuff but we then your bone marrow gets rich your immune system gets better your body gets better it's like me i'm over i'm forgot my age i'm over 50 something but do i feel like 50 no i feel sometime like i'm 30 sometimes i feel like i'm 20 it might drive my wife crazy you know cuz i do stuff and supposed to that's that's part of awakening isn't it there's you know i don't i don't like to listen to rules or laws my teachers knew this that's why they gave me this greatest practices so he says you you break every tradition because if you limit yourself to somebody's else's belief how can you get the ultimate experience you can't have anybody tell you you can't do this or that do you get the real practice do the practice that's what you're here for you're not here to you weren't born to like oh be an astrologer or be a physicist that's that's a side effect you were here to understand what you are who you are while in a physical body and bring all those great unlimited uh knowledge ability here and then express it outwardly to those who don't have that we don't look for people you know me and dashi we don't look at it's word by mouth you know i don't like to be i don't want to be commercial because that that dilutes the system what it's meant for it's supposed to be sacred it's supposed to be you know it's supposed to be something that's that gives you what you used to have you know if you're going out and you're doing yoga like pilates you you doing all this and that you know what are you getting yeah i'm being flexible i feel good i got a yoga body you know you're a little tweaky maybe but what i'm saying is that it's not giving you what we came here for so you know it's important that so you find the system that fits you your mind we're not the same you know i don't we we in dowi we teach nobody in the beginning everybody learns the basic method right so you understand it but then based on you we vary it based on your own personality where you want to go nobody's the same it's impossible just cuz like all humans look the same we got two arms two legs you know whatever no no you can't learn the same thing it won't work you got to the your your teachers have to be able to look at you and see that your thing that fits you to get that end result so yeah we have go dragon body and but there we have many variations based on the personality male female but everybody can attain it there's no such thing as i can't that's you say i can't you believe it you just said it i can't well you just create your destiny and the thing with dragon body is don't try to get it that's grasping you see you live it and you breathe it like you already have it then there's no attachment then it'll wake up but most people in the beginning goes "well i i know i understand what you're saying but i just can't do it i'm too tired." well you use too much of this head okay use this mind not this mind can channel of clarity use the clear mind the clear light mind we say in buddhism and so when you do the right breathing and you're here you're not using that much energy but most people these days is and they're practicing their life it's like they're running off a 9volt battery you come home you're exhausted quan is a cool running nuclear current you don't run out of energy you know you're always like boom boom you know not like overwhelming like you want to do the marathon every moment but you're full and your wayi your sheni your protective chi is full see and this also protects you from outer outer things coming you know be it uh from the atmosphere or just you know uh man-made electronics these type of things a lot of people get electro sickness well this helps a lot so these are many many things equivalent is a complete system you know you look at it it's not just from one master from one lineage one lineage one lineage like a battery so you learn from a new system from somebody well you only got that one gener generation of knowledge and energy but my teachers are connected with me and remember after you pass on you're still alive it's just not here it's continuous consciousness so it's so you got generations going back to the third and seventh century coming through you in that kland practice that's why people wake up so quick with no bad repercussions they might get emotional they might cry you might laugh and cry at the same time for no reason you're just balancing the extremes of we call yin and yang con and fire and water so walk in balance is the most important the buddha says the middle path walk in balance don't just jump off something look and see if it's good for you but in go dragon by rainbow body there'll be things that you like now that you hate there are things that you never liked you will like because you you've been teeter tottering your whole life now oh i just did this but you got to balance both extremes so now you're going to go this part so example you would be in a house dweller say well i'm living in the city i'm doing my work but this now i'm getting sensitive so then you go what to the extreme now i'm going go live out in nature i found my balance but then say well okay now it's too quiet so we find a place between the city and the forest now we're walking in balance your energy is dictated by your environment me and dawashi we spend a lot of time in hawaii we live in hawaii and we live near volcanoes all the time why we're water path people we need a little of the fire volcano okay an ocean so you know these are the you got to look at your environments what makes you grow why do we practice in cave you're going to ask well the reason for caves is that it acts as a like a faraday cage a natural faraday cage it blocks off the emf that you're constantly bombarded so your mind and your nervous system can be quiet for a period of time now another secret of dark retreat you can make your bathroom a dark retreat you can speak for not speak for six days and you know part of our is no speaking for six days you'd be surprised we lose 90% of our energy by speaking 90% don't speak that's why you see natives don't speak monks don't speak so another thing what happens with dark retreats is that when i'm awake my eyes move forward in the brain case so this shuts off at sunset when it starts to move back halfway this starts to activate a little bit at night time when i go to sleep the eyes sink in the back of the head they're like an onoff switch this fully opens that's when you see the dream world so why do monks press their eyes why they close their eyes halfway is they're adjusting the eyes to open up this that's one of the secrets and of course there's i if you want to know what kind of light you're emanating internally we call the crystal palace well you've seen the yogis they'll press the eyes and close the ears and press the nostrils and then they hold their breath and then they press the eyes in and up slightly and this activates like when you're sleeping you can see where you stand in the light but remember it's constantly change is not always constant based on the time of day based on the evening and even the direction this is so wonderful roshi because i i've been very i've practiced many different traditions and practices u my whole life mainly yoga um taught by bksar and then buddhism tantric buddhism vajriana ningma and it that's always been my my what's always like attracted me the most is is buddhism but i've never really dive deeply into any type of practices besides meditation besides the mind practices like not deity yoga or anything like that because i never really it didn't connect with me in that way but when i started learning about rainbow body i started practicing i found out about the zogchen practices treachko and togal and i was like "oh wow that's their system that leads to rainbow body." and i studied it for many years and then i started practicing it a little bit the meditations of it the treachko and what i realized is that it started working and it's i started to always just want to be meditative like be in a quiet state meditating and doing this mind work and it was bringing me out and away from being a father and my passions and being a husband and my art it was starting to destroy those things because all i wanted to do was meditate all i wanted to do was be in this state that it was bringing me to and it wasn't serving me and it wasn't serving my family and this system that i'm very very fascinated with this system you're created because i haven't ever really found a system that resonates with me and that connects with me deeply and this is this sounds i really would love to learn more because this is this is really resonating with me um a lot the path of kundlan we call the path of the living immortals is to attain the highest realization the physical body you really don't have to give up anything in your normal life it's just living the art you know example living the art is being playful it's not being so serious don't care what people you know if people always pick i you know be selective what you're doing but you know everything you can do like in tibet when the ma great stories of the mahasid days while they're working like the cobbler you know he's making his shoes all the time and he wants a sadhana you want something that he can practice while he's doing his work so how you look at everything as a practice you can be scrubbing the floor it could be a practice you can be you be you can be having the kland feeling once you develop the kland feeling which is a blissful radiance here there's a secret spot in the center of the chest and slightly to the right it's on the vagus nerve but it's actually in science is a vacuum a zero point energy a vacuum that's the secret like if santic porba of ningma if you learn the porba you know there there's like the root practices but there's a point in every single practice on this planet that one area if you can access the power of vacuum and how you know it you feel blissful if you say i didn't have time to do anything but kept your awareness there if i'm cutting my yard or washing the dishes and i'm keeping my mind here connect that point that's the wishfulfilling gem the chichamani stone in the indian tradition the the the the heart of the naga in you know in the other traditions if you just touch that one point and he can keep it there but sak not sakamuni kasbaba says if i kept my happiness at this point for 20 years i will reach the highest love of gold dragon uh gold dragon rainbow body you know some people they do like omahungho omahung yeah yeah mantras are fine but you need to stimulate the secret point that's the there's outer inner and secret so that's the wind path the wind path in kundalan only touch that point and nothing else and if you can live in that point 24/7 of course you'll be blissful there's nine levels of static bliss attachment is a hard thing for a westerner if you just radiate that that's also known as one of the wishful feeling jewels but it's also known as uh it's goes so many names so many so many names but touching that vacuum point there's so much energy in that point to change the body over so say i don't want to open up the brain i i'm too busy up here to open up the nine points well okay just look at that point because those nine points like the branches of a tree well there's the root and you'll feel it in the spine once you open it all of a sudden when you talk it's like you feel like you're full of laughing gas you ever had laughing gas at the dentist and you feel that vapory feeling inside you that's a blissful radiance when you talk the spine vibrates and the sacrum vibrates that's the go dragon body that's waking up the body's parts that are asleep and if you just live like that if you had absolutely no choice that is the root root as a wind point a wind path and then later when that opens up all of a sudden it's just going to migrate to where it's needed it feels like a a a energetic condensed chi ball moving so it might go to your lower danten and then your body will tremble and then it you'll get what's called the buddha belly it'll swell and then it'll go back down then it goes up here then the heart will start to shake you think am i having a heart attack no the magnetic field is imploding like a neut like a pulsar stun kungland follows the celestial physics like a quazar or a pulsar there's an before star explodes is an implosion it does this the vacuum sinks in on itself to the matter and then there's an explosion and this is the magnetic field of the heart going inside out that's the teaching presence then once that shakes it comes up here and you start making all kinds of weird sounds wind channel opens so you might do spontaneous mantras and mudras my friend when he was doing it one day he started doing the diamond suture he didn't even know what that was we have all those things in our dna then he went here and then the allervasive light came and then the light goes boom then it comes in it comes back down here uh katika channel activated the wishfulfilling gem goes back into the ocean of wisdom awakening that's from just that point that's so f i i'm laughing cuz recently i i experienced everything you just said my belly would bloat out of nowhere for no reason and i'm like why am i so bloated and then for a long time i was dealing with tension around my heart and then recently i had a i went to a healing a he and then and then i also make tons of weird noises all the time and speak weird languages and i shake all the time my wife and i both do this we've been doing this for years and i just thought i just thought it was me being weird you know but the this thing happened to me i went to this healing these monks from the yemen tantra college not the gyoto but the other one tantra college in india from tibet three of their master chanter ritual masters came to do this tibetan healing and i went to it for three days and on the third day on my way back home i live i live um in the columbia gorge in washington up this mountain i'm driving down up the mountain out of nowhere there's some snow i'm in my car i'm alone and my car spins and i go into a ditch and there's sharp rocks all around me there's sticks and i was completely unharmed completely unharmed and ever since then that tension around my heart had dissipated and it's just really fascinating what you're saying because i i feel like i'm experiencing all this all the time well you have to surrender see that that that accent was meant to teach you to surrender the towel if you're fighting you know the universe what it wants for you it's going to create a blockage or resistance or it's going to push you in a light way or a hard way to open up so that sudden shock of spinning where does your mind go nowhere everything opens up the channels open up sometimes you know to awaken ourselves an extreme situation has to occur to get our mind out of the way something beyond our control a shock it's a reset so in our tradition we have what's called a little death so you're doing kund and all of a sudden your breathing starts to disappear because you start to skin breathe that's the highest level of yogic breathing through the skin second lung and all of a sudden the back will arc your mouth will open and your eyes will look up like a person who's dying the outer breath disappear and even the heartbeat there's an inner heartbeat we have five hearts in the body and so that's why you won't perceive a heartbeat but you're skin breathing but then that moment you're going through a death experience we call ego death but you're physically feel like you're dying so all your fears are coming up all you do remember whenever something comes up simply smile when you smile the crown opens this allows what's supposed to happen happen if you if i'm tightening going fear i'm closing it up and you're going to have a hard time we want the crown to be open so simply smile when everything comes like that you can't be angry and smile at the same time this is for you especially this will help thank you i feel like i experience this all the time um wow thank you roshi this is this is wonderful wonderful interview i is this something you you you inspire gold dragon like is this your path is this your disappear disappearing into light at the time of your death or or what no my uh i already know how how i'm going to do that uh see in quinland dowist tradition when a a priest what do you want to call it is going to pass excuse me even for the in the west a black and white crane makes itself known for three days before that's telling you they're coming you're ready to go and then in the lineage i belong in japan on the third day and japan has the same thing with the cranes is that a cloud descends from the sky and i have a very special statue made by the same masters who held this mala and it was carved by master zumi and he found like say the the forest tradition in japan and he spent 10 years in the cave and laong which is a looks like a bird being came from the sky and he carved this statue and he put a piece of that bone inside we call him laong in our traditions the sky be and he's our patriarch and so when these masters i belong to the in the tradition came they will hold this statue and when i first got it as gifted from the temple it would move and it flew off and disappeared one of the signs it's alive and so this has got to be passed on to the next generation and so we step onto the cloud and we hold the statue and in broad daylight from the people every mass in our tradition has gone this way who's attained the light body so when you know that happens to me well you know they would go to dawi you know our tradition doesn't go you know like like everybody else you know we can choose that way if we want to come back but the way the world is going now there's no need for that you know a lot of the old masters you'll find too bad say "well i'm not teaching us anymore." they're dying with the knowledge because they believe that the modern human beings are not capable of perfecting the whole skill too much attachment too much uh uh distraction to learn these things but that's what's so nice about kunan is you can be distracted all you want you can you can be watching the tell you can be sitting on the bathroom and do your practice see it doesn't require you to sit down full lotus wear a robe you know do all the ornamental things that's mind candy but people in the west they need that to know that oh it's something special if i say dressed in in a funny hat funny glasses do you think i was eccentric nobody would believe me see so i have to you know i do this for the benefit of people and also respecting my lineages i respect my teachers dearly because without them i wouldn't be here in many ways and listen you don't just keep even though you're a teacher or you're a master whatever you want to call it you still are learning master means master of one thing you know people these days say "i'm a master of this and that." master of what you can't be master anything outside master of what you need to master your own destiny and you think i know everything no i learned a lot of stuff from dawi my wife because i only see the man's viewpoint not the lady's viewpoint and a lot of the greatest masters and they won't tell you this masters have big egos too is majority of the great masters were women because if this gets in the way we got to be we got to balance yin and yang that's why a man is a fire outside water inside if you're balanced most people just double fire or double water depressed or angry women are water outside fire inside so when we're doing the the dualist the practicing together well my outer fire mixes with her inner fire her outer water mixes my inner water you see that's alchemy dual cultivation that's why the old llamas and you know old masters used to come down from the mountain in china in the ancient days and they visit the village because they had all these abilities but they scared the villagers and so what happens like well i'm depleted all my yin for the winter they come down look for a yin source which usually were young women in those days take their chi go back the mountain for another year so that's not a good thing but that was the old way modern way if you want awakening if you want to use your concert outside you know she practice with you you got to first unify the male and female inside oneself and in mary magdalena school it's the trinity you know you got the father the queen and the queen and alchemy and then you got the child it's all symbolic for channel but you got to you got to unify inside or you can't unify outside because the secret of gold dragon bodies how do you feed the dragon you have to give the dragon the dragon egg that's why in all the symbols you see a phoenix and a dragon you notice that in all the symbols of china because these are actually practices in the beginning you got the dra the phoenix up here and the dragon down here and they're fighting over the dragon ball because we're dualistic nature but in actuality they're like yin and yang merging into the one they're they're going back into the dragon ball you see and so the dragon ball what is that well people tell you hundred different things but our essence the jing semen and male o come from here and then the the the spirit energy goes into magnetic energy and she and then it goes into physical manifestation into it creates your essence of what you you know male and female essences so people do what's called the secret of the gold flower where they pull up the essence called reversing the flow of life and it's going up so you're you're after you crystallize the ball like in fire bath the chi and like in mopai they crystallize it well it goes up here and it converts into vapor through alchemy and it goes back to the brain nourishes the brain that's why people who do too much you know what well they get kind of dull in the brain see and in the school of anubis you call it the gate of life and death your vitals is the gate of life and death that's the the the cask where anubis sits upon and his daughter kebab a black cobra represents the dormant potential of getting the body of rah or the gold dragon body they just call the body of rah and so you got to swim up the river nile so you got to reverse the flow up again but some people in fire path they go up the spine which you're talking go flower but the real go flower in maan the shanqing order we don't do that it goes up the center of the body by itself with three hand mudras in a certain sound in kun mountain we do the wind path we circle our chi up the front of and down the spine we cool the fire see and you're not taught that even in china the reversing of the red dragon flow we call it the wind path is never taught they say "well i open up what do i do with it?" well you've got the pearl you're feeding the dragon body but you have the phoenix body do you not you have to feed that so then we extend the energy down into the channels and we can make the dragon ball come out of the palms it's a flash of red light that means you're ready to master red phoenix body or red dragon red phoenix body is for women red dragon body is for men that's for those who don't want to come back in our tradition but then there's go dragon for those who want to go back and forth it's a choice nobody makes the choices for you in the other world it's you you determine beginning you determine the end and we're just here dawian may we are just here to make sure you do it right or you have a question or you need to kind of move your tradition your your methods based on season that's super fascinating because the main thing that i've been dealing with recently when i get triggered or such usually with my son is i get angry so i've been dealing with the anger and frustration and and then i get and then when i feel that way it comes out of my mouth i start talking and i start complaining and then until i remove myself and calm and get back into my heart and then it goes and then i subside but that's well that's natural everybody here i don't care how high you are because the monkey mind the mind of polarity makes you angry the monkey is always grabbing for fruit right and then and he goes down oh i got to get more and more and more and more but he didn't see the tiger on the ground waiting for him the smart monkey stays up in the tree and he only takes one at a time and he makes sure it's ripe that means when it's ready to be done don't wait like "oh i got to do it now." when it's ready it's ready and the dao inland water path when you're ready it will happen naturally it don't take long it don't take long and yes getting angry of course i don't care a lot of my master say "well i don't get angry." well yes you do i'll do something they'll get angry at me do i get angry yes that makes you a human being and why i give you an example i don't like to drive in traffic i get dowist tourette's all right oly going 30 miles an hour in a 65 mile per hour like you know money problem you know cuz i'm in my monkey mind so i i come here okay now she says "damn damn it's okay." you know and she knows she'll just look when i read her phone because he knows i get like that you know and i have no perception of of speed or anything so i have my student khan when he comes to visit me one day and i just got my license and uh cuz i don't see depth and for 30 years i was hit by lightning i was hit by lightning when i was nine and this opened for 30 years all i saw was energy never saw anything solid and one day it just boom and i got my driver's license and i don't perceive speed so khan big he looks like a japanese yeti he's big strong uh and so he'd be holding on and dawi said "he just got his license." and i'll be going 100 miles an hour down thing like you know and he's like my name you know trying to do some mantra to prolong life you know so we'd be having a lot of fun that way so yes you can't you're not going to be sterile and yes you're going to have things come out that's human being just catch yourself come down it goes away we just don't constantly cook you know so if i get like that she'll just give me some ice cream you know so okay ice cream chocolate okay i'm fine you know because emotions can amplify emotions too so it teaches you a lot about being a human being you know a lot of people i've met masters are so unemotional it's like talking to a brick wall how can you learn from somebody that way how can you learn from somebody if they don't show you the human part people see me as a monk in that but yes i do all kinds of stuff and people can't believe that i invent i metal detect i eat pizza i'm not vegetarian you know and a lot of monks come to me from tibet my teacher raucho gave an example he'd said monks to me one day he goes "you have to listen to what nakadori says." and they only eat momo and stuff like that he says "okay take off the robes." why we're going to have fun what's that what's that all i do is meditate what are we going to eat are we going to a vegetarian restaurant no we're going to have pizza and i've had vegetarians in my class and they can't get strength they can't stand in a simple posture for 15 minutes oh i'm too weak i'm going to black out i want you to go have a steak have a burger no i can't do that in tibet in shaolin in daoism there are monks wine and meat eatating monks who do high level practice in cave why is that la mass don't like what i'm saying because here look in india the yogis look like skeletons if you don't feed good protein to your body it's going to eat your muscles was going to eat the organs that's not a sign of accomplishment even the buddha when he sat under his tree and he was emanciated and one day he ate meat oh you broke the precepts well those monks never got awakening holding your hand up for 10 years or whatever like that you have to balance you need the meat the protein the fuel airplane can't fly without gas right you want to go dragon body this body has to be strong enough to take that energy of change i eat all the time that way i keep my balance and i drink dowist we have the arts we drink a lot of tea it's medicine then you do music instrument flower arrangement like chinese bonsai you do some there's arts that the chinese practice kung fu chiong neon you know you got to balance everything not just sit a lot of people like i have masters in tibet i went to see a famous master who was a reincarnation guru poche nobody can talk to unless you met with him for five years and i was playing tricks with him you know one of his hot songs he had thousand students there and he stopped and he looked and closed his eyes says hey don't be doing that he knew i was doing you know the tumoi so he knew i was accomplished so he says oh he invited me to his house after where he meets all these very private people after five or 10 years of meeting and uh you know he can put on zerupoche he could put a a piece of bamboo in solid rock and allow water to come out to feed a village he's very evolved they're 30 years old and uh i went and i was sitting with him and he had a woman translator and he goes you want to be you learn my rainbow body i said well of all great things thank you but i'm pretty full i have all my things and brother rimple chain that you're surprised i turn them down because many llamas want to learn from and then i looked at him and goes "you have diabetes." he's 33 because i noticed like a lot of llamas when they're walking he notice that people carry them down the the their steps and they can't walk it's not because oh i love you my llama it's because their blood circulation is not good too long crossing so the nerve damage or blood circulation and so i said that to him and then i also said that and this lady is translating to him and tell you llama about his diabetes and she goes my llama doesn't have diabetes he goes yes i do they never knew and he goes the cause is too much sampa in yoga sciences and especially in hawaii diabetes is too much of one thing one thing sampa too much it could be anything will give you that simply change your diet you know and he said "why can't you change your diet?" cuz my teachers say i can't you're the reincarnation of padma sambava you're above that you know you got gold dragon body a rainbow body but you need to see physical you need to eat momo see so these things i tell my own teachers off they're much older hundred or more years than me but then they're thinking in the old mind and not living in the new world so yes your rainbow body your gold dragon body can attain in this world there's no need to run to a temple temple is a great escape western thinks it's so wonderful but when you go there the novelty wears off pretty quick you're in a room it's quiet there's no stimulation no phone when a monk comes in the cave he's very accomplished bring them out here now one extreme or the other what is happening too much noise too much stimulation too much light you see how it can be a trap you got to be able to live in both worlds so accomplished yogi like yourself and other people you need to be in both worlds that is a higher form of attaining the go dragon body i think i talked too much huh ain't nobody elucory transformed to rainbow body clear light shining calmly abiding great perfection rainbow body empty there ain't nobody transform to rainbow body clear light shining calmly lighting great perfection rainbow body it is god [Music]