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Darkhorse Podcast: John Cullen Interview

hey folks welcome to the Darkhorse podcast I have the distinct pleasure of sitting this morning with John Cullen John Cullen who came to my attention for his incredibly high quality work unpacking the fiction and reality surrounding the massacre in Las Vegas John Cullen picked up his skill set working at Oracle in the 80s I will let him tell you a little bit about that background and how it is relevant to the various topics we want to discuss today but in the meantime John welcome to Darkhorse thank you very much it's a pleasure to be here all right so tell me a little bit about what you did at Oracle as it will be uh Central to uh to looking at the the wouldbe assassination of President Trump sure so early in my career uh I was at Oracle I was uh you know a young guy in my late 20s and you know we're talking 1988 so at that time Oracle was about 1,500 employees about uh $200 million in Revenue all right so we were considered a startup and in fact the company that I left to to go work at Oracle was bigger than Oracle so for me going Oracle was a risk I was going to a smaller company so so I went to work at Oracle and one of the projects I was working on early on was a company in Redlands California called esri and esri wanted to do something they wanted to marry mapping technology with data and so I went out to Redlands California so our offices were in Elsa gundo California uh right next to Hughes Hughes aircraft and I drive out to red ones to meet with Jack dangerman and Scott Morehouse Scott Morehouse is like their head uh you know technician guy CTO and Jack Danger's the founder the company and they had a team of guys there and it probably took the you know the Oracle team there was uh me two other people it took us probably an hour and a half to fully understand what these guys were trying to do it was so groundbreaking it was so revolutionary uh you know and this is 30 35 years ago so I understand something of it because as a biologist I never did GIS work but I certainly worked with people who did so do you want to describe what that means compiling uh data with with maps well the easiest way to understand it is if you have a GPS in your car and your GPS will tell you where an ATM is how does the map know where the ATM is right how does the map know where there's a Circle K how doesn't know that because the Circle K has an address and these guys figured out out how to turn location data into whether it's raster Vector I I forget exactly what the graphic aspect of it is but this is the technology that they use when you go to town hall to find out what are the boundaries of your property it's all in this system right so that's how that stuff works so that's GIS but the simplest thing is your GPS and how the GPS knows where things are and that's the basis of it and so the tagline is the science of where all right the science of where so you've been uh working on the technical aspects of uh modern cartography if that's a fair description and I will just say uh I don't I don't think we're going to dwell too long on the issues of Las Vegas but what I saw with your work on the Las Vegas shooting was at an event that I had initially paid a lot of attention to and then couldn't make heads or tails of and walked away and didn't look back at it for many years um you spotted anomalies and you brought your Your Arsenal of tools to bear on that question and when I looked at your um analysis of the event what it implied about the physics of the event what physically took place and then moved from there to what could possibly explain what ends up being a helicopter-based uh hypothesis for how the attack actually unfolded I was shocked at how compelling The Narrative part of it ended up being as well I really thought I can't say for sure that you've got uh the details correct but I can say proof of concept you demonstrated that an entirely different story than the one we've all been told could explain all of the things that we saw and many things that you were able to find that most of us hadn't seen so anyway I thought it was excellent quality work um I then tracked you to where you started working on questions of the covid so-called pandemic and you end up in a place that I find nobody else I will Briefly summarize it you tell me what I've got wrong your position and uh this probably deserves an entirely different podcast but your position is that covid exists which I agree with you on that it was circulating but that it does not explain the sum total of pathogenic effects that we saw and what does explain those pathogenic effects according to your analysis is the circulation of h7n9 flu um which I think this is a a very provocative and very interesting hypothesis that for example would explain explain why many of us experienced novel pathogen pathogenic symptoms during the covid crisis and didn't test positive for covid even when it seemed like we were in you know at Peak sickness we still couldn't trigger these tests even those of us who know how to run a scientific test and should have been able to accomplish it um so in any case that analysis I have to say I'm not as convinced as the Las Vegas analysis but I certainly think it is worth considering did I describe it correctly perfectly exactly right I would love to share with you the findings uh I think Heather would enjoy it as well and show you guys what why do I think this in other words it's not just a a thought right it's the way I work is I use inductive reasoning in all of these scenarios so this is Sir Francis Bacon right and the Assumption here is we are not going to have all of the evidence on the table so I'm not going to be able to do deductive reasoning I'm not going to be able to say it was the butler in the pantry with the candlestick holder definitively because they're hiding evidence they're covering it up and guess who's covering it up the FBI and the CIA and you know spook Central so when those guys are covering it up and they've got black budget money and they've got you know whether or not you believe in Mockingbird or not I mean I can show you super Super Cuts that will you know chill you to the Bone when you see how these messages just get in sync over night it's like how I mean Mockingbird is a fact you know we don't know what happened to it after it was supposedly disbanded it's a little hard to imagine that it right vanished rather see the results I think you see the results you see they have the ability you know they in air quotes they have the ability to change the narrative overnight we saw this March 10 to March 11th 2020 everybody was like eh Co don't worry about it and overnight March 11th everything changed so I'd love to share those findings with you and explain why it appears that was the case why do I think that SARS Cove 2 is real but was actually a red herring to cover up a much more deadly pathogen actually much much more dangerous um I think it is a fascinating story and uh I don't know that we will have time to get there today but I would like to Circle back to it because um it let's put it this way I think we are caught between phony narratives one of them being that SARS kov 2 is the sum total of what we experienced which doesn't explain very much and the other is that SARS kovi 2 was a non-fa that um whatever leaked out of the Wuhan Institute uh just simply uh went to Extinction and um that you know cycle thresholds and background uh Corona viruses explain everything and what I can say as somebody who circulated in this millu is that there was definitely something uniquely pathogenic circulating and you know I had illnesses in Seasons that one does not typically get illnesses they were significant illnesses um they did seem to respond to icton and hydroxy chloroquin so what I get is there was something it was a pathogen presumably a virus it had impacts on the body doctors were not you know fooling themselves into believing that they had sick patients there was something real but as for what it was I I'm agnostic as to what it was how would I know other than the fact that most of the time I was sick I didn't test positive for covid so give you guys a fair warning before we get into the conversation so I have Asbergers and so I'm on the Spectrum the autism spectrum I got two two of my three daughters are also on the Spectrum my eldest has Asbergers my youngest is fullblown speech aaria autism okay so it's in the family I look at it as a secret weapon all right so I look at my Asbergers as a tool and I used that tool in the last six days on this just like I did on Vegas I have the ability to focus and play my game and I only look up to see what Tiger Woods and Bryson Shambo whatever these guys names are I I look up every now and then I take a peek and I'm back at my game and I'm back at my game it's what I did with Vegas it's what I'm doing here and the community has pulled together evidence that is stunning same thing happened with Co the unique thing with the Co story was that as the guy from Oracle who built the mapping system uh maybe we get Zach in the control room to pel up an image of this when I saw that John's Hopkins was using the esri system to map Co do you remember your first car were you 17 18 19 do you what was your first car what was your it was a okay brand new or piece of junk oh I was a lucky kid it was a new car okay you got a brand new car all right yeah if you were to run into that Subaru today with 341,000 miles on it would you recognize it I think I could figure it out pretty quick right yeah and if you put an engine kill switch underneath the dash and it's still there that's what it that's what it felt like to me I'm sitting there I'm I'm like you're using the map okay everybody clear the room we got this yeah Brett in 10 seconds I clicked on Hong Kong because I never heard of woan I have a 10-year visit to China I've been to Zen Xiao I went to the shaolan temple I studied Mar arts for 50 years and I'm I never heard of woan I'm humble enough this is why I warned you about the Asbergers part of Asbergers is I don't care if I'm wrong what are they going to throw me out of the club I'm not in a club they're not going to throw me out I'm not worried about being wrong I was wrong about covid Brett for three and a half years for three and a half years I was that close I kept telling everybody was 1918 Spanish flu and Donald Trump kept saying that's 1917 Spanish so I was off by a year but I was wrong wrong is wrong now was it close enough for hand grenades and horseshoes because Z fluza treats both okay so that was sometimes confirmation bias is you know we're close enough that it's okay sometimes we have false positives but I was wrong for 3 and 1/2 years I dropped that like a hot potato the second I saw this H7 and9 evidence there there was a moment in the movie what was it the big Labowski where he where the dude says there's new information has come to light man new information has come to light right I look at every investigation that way and that how am I going to make any kind of Defense have pound my fist on the table thing if new information keeps coming to light constantly it it hasn't stopped in any of these investigations so the H7 and9 stuff we're still getting stuff today the Vegas thing I think I got pretty well sewn up and the issue here we go back to inductive reasoning Sir Francis Bacon in inductive reasoning it's almost like the um the formula where you keep going half the distance to the wall you never make it to the wall same thing with indu reasoning we are never going to have a 100% definitive here's what it is all right I wanna I want you finish your's WP to that so when you when I propose something like a thesis using inductive reasoning for the Vegas shooting as a stman let's just use that and I put forward this is a helicopter attack by Saudi araban National Guard Commandos and I put that forward someone else now needs to to present an equally well researched and documented thesis that's okay so for example if you guys were like no no no no no I think it's El Chapo because El Chapo's daughter was sleeping with Jim Merin the CEO it's dude now you got a story now we have an alternate thesis but nobody has come forward in seven years with an alternative thesis that can hold a cup of water let alone the 250 videos that I've published on the Las Vegas shooting on my YouTube channel so there's 250 videos there that lay this stuff out no one else has presented a body of evidence that comes close and in inductive reasoning that means I'm kind of the the King of the Hill until somebody else comes along with a better researched or you know similarly researched more cogent thesis this episode is sponsored by paleo Valley paleo Valley makes a huge range of products from supplements like fish row organ complex grass-fed bone broth protein and superfood bars everything we've tried from them has been terrific I've spoken before 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erases it right the amount of time that has passed since two creatures that I care about were you know connected on the tree of life means that much of what I'd like to be able to just check I can't so we're used to dealing with incomplete evidence um and still managing to think carefully about it so I I resonate with you there and I would agree with you on the Las Vegas shooting what you've got is the hypothesis which explains the most while assuming the least it's not a slam dunk that it's right but the fact that there's no competitor that can do what your version of events does means that's the leading hypothesis until somebody comes up with a better one and I agree with you I ain't heard it so um anyway that's that's all um very good now you and I are quite different in our relationship to being wrong you describe and I'm frankly it's the first time I've heard you say you have Asbergers and that fills in some details for me about the weird way in which you're motivated I'm very so Dr Dave colum said you've got a you've got a sick personality that's okay dude you know Steven Wright one of my favorite comedians one of his jokes is he goes to the bar and the lady next to says you're wearing two different color socks and he looks back at he goes yeah because I go by thickness man I go by The Weave I don't care what color my socks are as long as it's the same weave I'm good to go I'm a different kind of cat I was a different kind of kid I I I really appreciate this because I I I'm pretty sure you will take this in stride but you come across very unusually and in fact there's some things you do that grow me right the music that you often put behind the videos in which you reveal some important evidence what I considered to be honest to goodness evidence I find the music troubling because it's very compelling and I don't want to be compelled by the music I want to be compelled by the evidence and so anyway I think you are a highly unusual creature and it is a superpower and uh if I have a superpower it comes from somewhere different I do care about being being wrong I the the reason that I embrace having been wrong and I just go and correct it is that it means I sort of reduce the amount of volume under the curve of wrongness um because I don't like being wrong but I do like I I have a perverse relationship with the experience of being right when nobody else is most people absolutely cannot stand that in fact they will change their position so they are not alone and I actually know uh that that's actually good thing when you're right about something that literally nobody else is right about that's a big Insight of something and we share that and I think we recognize that in each other and I think that that's why we're drawn to each other I mean I love you guys watch been watching your show through Co so I'm a huge fan and I think that's what we appreciate about each other the fact that I come from a marketing background where we were doing marketing and sales and I'm trying to get people's attention I'm a appealing to something that Elon Musk talked about a long time ago which is the content on Twitter that generates the most you know wow factor versus the Google look the original or Drudge Report let's use Drudge Report Drudge Report is as basic as we get it looks like text on a page right that's not supposed to get your endorphins F I am trying to get Endor orph moving I am doing this on purpose I came from a marketing background I make no you know my stuff needs to be better than everybody else's and I do this for a living I'm not an evolutionary biologist this is what I do I investigate shootings I investigate coverups now I didn't before yeah but because I do this for a living there's a certain aspect of this that needs to be engaging and it's going to turn some people off and it tends to turn off people that have an engineering type mind so people that come from engineering type backgrounds or you know chemistry biology uh hard science backgrounds get like what the hell is he putting music to this is a serious matter I get it I get it but if it's all silent yeah I'm not fating you um I I get it and I and I do find it compelling that's kind of what is is troubling to me about it is that you know look at one of your uh you know your bullet trajectory videos and I hear that music and it's like I feel like I'm involved in looking at a you know a thriller and my feeling is I I really I have to then work to control my desire to to to find this crazy story because I want to know if the story isn't crazy I want to know that too right in fact that's very important if the story is straightforward I don't want to be compelled that nefarious but I I think it is time John that we take a look at this uh would be assassination of President Trump bring your toolkit to bear I will say I've spent a lot of time thinking about it looking at the evidence I did not do what you did which is you know reach for the protractor and start measuring bullet angles and looking at the uh the Google Earth evidence of of where the various elevated locations are so anyway I'm very grateful that you did it let's um let's look into it and see what kind of a crazy story this is because I believe it is a crazy story at many different levels which doesn't tell us what the true story is but it tells us there's something there to be found sounds like a plan so I'm going to share content from my machine that we'll both be able to view and the audience will be able to see this and I've got a couple video clips that I've been accumulating over the course of the last couple days as we're recording this show we're less than a week from the event so everything that you folks are going to see has been assembled in less than a week all right so that's kind of you know something I haven't seen any FBI briefings I didn't see Christopher Ray come to the podium I haven't seen anybody you know come forward and say Here's the investig here's what we're doing here's who we're talking to we've been I haven't seen any of that so forgive me I I was gonna I was gon to ask you about this because my impression is one of the strangest things about this obviously historical event is that the press conferences that you would have expected in which they gave us pains you know how many shell casings were found on the roof with the Assassin what was the type of ammunition was it 223 was it you know Full Metal Jacket were these hollow points uh you know what exactly was the weapon these things are essential pieces of information some of them are perfectly straightforward and yet we don't know anything about it and my impression is that in any previous scenario we would we would have become bored with the briefings in which we only got one or two new pieces of information that weren't that interesting but there's something very unsettling about the fact that I don't even know what I don't know how many shell casings there were that seems like an essential and very straightforward piece of information why don't I know exactly and after the Las Vegas shooting they were doing briefings every day uh the first two or three days I think they did two they did a morning briefing and a 5:00 briefing uh Monday and Tuesday then Laura lomer got under his skin and he stopped doing that so they were doing daily briefings and we're not getting anything where is Christopher Ray where is where is the Pittsburgh FBI office with their daily updates on here's where we are we're not getting that so that's what I do that's why I named the channel on YouTube the John eh Hoover Channel that's actually Jay Edgar Hoover's real name if he wasn't so uh pretentious so the the the unpretentious version is John Edgar Hoover John E Hoover and that's when I named my channel I'm kind of the anti- FBI or the FBI in an alternate universe where they would share what they're doing that's what I do so so in this investigation uh let me kind of walk you through where I began cuz I like to start at the beginning and I like to show people sort of uh the development of the thesis in other words if I just jump to the end and tell you it's Saudi Commandos and helicopters they're like what how the hell do you get to that from Steve for 64 year old guy shooting from a window you've got to build the case you got to show people how do you get to this so I'm going to show you guys a couple of things that I put together literally in the last six days five or six days that kind of builds the case for more than one shooter and that's where we're going so the bottom line up front is there is ballistic and photographic evidence of more than one shooter all right that's what I'm going to be showing you so that's the bottom line up front now how do I make that case how do I make the case how do I come to a hypothesis that there's more than one shooter I accumulate everything evidence so let me show you guys some evidence to build that case so the first thing I'm going to show you is a quick interview that uh reporter from Fox did with somebody on the scene so let me see how I share this we're going to click with share my screen or presentation all right so this is an interview uh the lady in the red dress is with Fox uh the woman in the black Trump shirt it says Trump girl is about to recount her personal situation here so this is an eyewitness account let's take a listen where the other shter was there was one I heard in water tower there was one by the Ben and still obviously initial reports but what we do know according to the the fence where the other shooter was there was one I heard in water tower there was one by the fence and still obviously reports the fence where the other shooter was there was one I heard in water tower there was one by the fence okay so one by the water tower one by the fence that's what I heard right now all right let me let me uh let me jump in here for a second I I I believe I know where you're going and I will just say from my perspective this is another place where the absence of briefings is uh glaring there's a water tower it's the highest position within shooting range of where president Trump was speaking there are certain facts about it that we could absolutely be told was the water tower covered if it was not covered why not if it was covered in what way was it covered right those are basic facts of what took place these are already matters of history and there is no reason to hide them from us and if the answer is there was nobody on that water tower and there it was not being monitored that raises an obvious question why not so anyway uh interesting that you have a witness here saying water tower right so to me when I see uh women in their 50s 60s 7s uh recounting something that just happened it's hard for me to think that she's lying right I'm not going to say well you know she's making up a story she's you know why would I think that now here's another eyewitness and we're going to go from this eyewitness into uh you know some more specific stuff but I want to share with you these eyewitness accounts cause me so this kind of kicks in conscious confirmation bias okay what do I mean by that when I hear two people three people say that there's a shooter in the water tower what am I going to go do look what am I looking for right go at the water tower that's confirmation but I'm looking at the water tower now that's that's okay yeah I don't think it is confirmation bias I think you know when you have lowquality evidence to begin with and then you start to get a signal a bunch of people think it there was somebody in the water tower could well be that there's a perfectly innocent explanation for that there could be a wall that reflects back sound that makes people who were standing in a particular place hear the shot as if it came from the water tower and it didn't in which case I would expect something like well there was no shooter in the water tower because agent Davis was on the Water Tower and he reports blah blah blah right in which case oh well what did agent Davis see could he see the shooter could he see you know it would it would lead to an obvious set of evidence and yet what we've got is I dare you to say water tower and we're not going to tell you what we thought about the water tower um so anyway you want to play your your second uh eyewitness now this is the second eyewitness then we're going to go into more of the ballistic evidence but the eyewitnesses tend to point me in a certain direction so if I had three eyewitnesses telling me the shots were coming from the ladi's room I'd be looking for footage where was show me some footage has got the ladies room in the footage right that's I want to see I want to see what's going on there so when I hear somebody say uh one shooter was over by the fence and the other was by the water tower okay you got my attention let's listen to this next eyewitness and see what she has to say Sharpshooter shot to the left he killed the gentleman in the water tower here what was that Sharpshooter shot to the left he killed the gentleman in the water tower here whoa that's getting pretty specific the Sharpshooter shot to the left and killed the guy in the water tower wow that's pretty specific doesn't I mean and it's not she she doesn't sound like somebody told her this secondhand does it let's listen again SHP shooter shot to the left he killed the gentleman in the water tower here shooter shot to the left he killed a gentleman in the water tower here now she may be mistaken okay so none of this to me is definitive the the whole point of using inductive reasoning the whole Sir Francis Bacon Method Keep Gathering evidence keep Gathering evidence hold off on coming to a conclusion until evidence is so overwhelming that all again it's it's like Galileo man Galileo had the whole notebook and he's like just look through the telescope bro it's all it's all here you don't have to it's all here well there's a signature of it uh if I can borrow from my own toolkit if you are trying to figure out what the branching pattern The evolutionary branching pattern is between a particular set of creatures and you have not very much evidence right you have scant evidence well the branching pattern if you ask a computer to say well what's the simplest branching pattern between these 12 creatures it keeps flipping back and forth when you start adding more and more evidence it stabilizes because each new piece of evidence is very likely to tell you the same story that you've already heard which is the true story so you you get this experience of like well it doesn't things are possible on day one and by day four it's like only three things are possible that's exactly um and so anyway I would say there's one other element here though that we have to be very cautious about if you have we have one of two things going on either you have a single shooter who is behaving in a cryptic way until he reveals himself by shooting at president Trump or you have a conspiracy in which more than one person is involved which we don't yet know about if it is the latter then that thing has every reason to mislead us and one thing it could do is it could start putting it could seed the idea of water tower into the minds of people who would go looking for evidence to mislead right a misdirection and I'm used to this by the way so I'm used to this from the covid investigation there are uh I don't like to use the air quotes with my hands but there are investigative journalists that I believe are actually disinformation agents working for the GE the global engagement center of the state department their job is to sew Discord their job is to um you know metaphorically pee in the pool so to speak their job is to take an aspect of the story that has truth to it for example like the Wuhan military games and then add an aspect to it that the virus was brought to the games by a bicyclist it's like what that that's has nothing to do with this so by ruining an ECT of the story with misinform disinformation now like you said anybody who mentions the water tower oh you're a conspiracy theorist anybody mentions the Wuhan military and now you're a conspiracy theorist same thing I call that peeing in the pool are they trying to pee in the pool on the water tower sure they are why why like you said well let's just see the footage of the Secret Service guys up there the they must be up there right they're either there or they weren't which is it you know tell me which branch of that tree we are on were they up there dude I didn't start looking at the water tower until I heard the lady say it right it's not my idea I'm only following Clues that's what you're supposed to do you get a clue you talk to people says yeah they shot the guy in the water tower no you're lying who's your Source who's your Source lady well right I mean why would she be lying to me so I do think uh what was the name of the center that you think does the peeing in the pool uh the gec the state department the state so to the extent that we are living through an era where all of our institutions are not only dishonest but incompetent I think all the competent people went to that Center and the peeing in the pool is done very effectively across many different topics you know that Elon when he was doing his interviews I think it was it was either with Tucker or mat taibi and he was looking into you know the uh the Twitter file so to speak and he said that the agency that's the most egregious was not the CIA or the FBI it's the GE and he he said that in his interview you guys can go check the uh the transcripts I forget if it was the matbe or the Tucker interview but he said it's the gec that's the worst of all of them and that's in the state department yeah that's in the state department so that was Mike Pompeo um I now I'm going to go into my domain so I hear from a couple of ladies that there might be a shooter near the water tower okay like you said I don't know man I'm not jumping into conclusions here I'm going to explore it I want to investigate it so I'm going to go into Google Earth and I'm going to do some 3D analysis of the water tower where is the water tower what is the perspective from the water tower is the water tower five miles away where where where is it relative to what's going on here what water tower is she even talking about I don't know Butler Pennsylvania so I'm going to open up a video here that has got all my groovy music but I'm going to kill the volume because I don't want to make you upset and I'm going to play and I'm going to play this video it's a part of me thinking I want to hear that music that's why I'm taking away because now you can't have it anymore all right so I'm going to play the video this is a 3D this in Google Earth and I'll walk you guys through what you're seeing let me just play it for you and I'll let you know that you kind of wait for it all right so wait for it I'm um this is when I work I turn on my screen recording so this is me doing this for the first time the day after the shooting so the day after really your initial your initial fora into this material yeah or maybe the second one I mean you know maybe this is the second pass but you this is what I mean I want you guys to see the development the the how the understanding keeps building and build it's exactly what you said about in biology it's the same thing day one day three day five day n it changes same thing happened with the Vegas shooting it took me eight days to find the first helicopter on Day N I found the second on day 10 I found the third and that's when I got goosebumps and I was like this is out of control man this is a whole another level that's the same thing I'm finding here in just a matter of a few seconds so let me walk you guys through this let me show you what this looks like this is Google Earth in 3D uh I'm going to share my screen so this is the venue I've approximated the location of the president with a blue pin I've approximated the location of the shooter with a red pin I've approximated the location of the sniper team on the roof of the building closest to the shooter okay and I've drawn a line to this new water tower feature that these ladies are talking about so this is the venue give or take now uh upon further investigation I have since moved the PIN for president Trump a little further to the right in this image the the stands are actually coming further away from those buildings but again this was the first forray so I'm showing you guys I just heard some ladies talk about a water tower what water tower let's find the water tower and see if we can line this thing up so so at the moment it looks like you're working in two Dimensions you've got these lines drawn on the ground am I right the lines will only go on the ground in Google Earth I don't know how yeah lines don't go up to the tops of things so they only stay on 2D even though we can see the buildings in 3D so the buildings will be in 3D but the lines are always on the surface of the ground I apologize all right so the red is where Crooks is and the pins also disappear when you zoom in because the pins are ground level so as you zoom in on the pin the pin's going to disappear but all those lines are converg on Crooks location and what you're seeing right now is my first discovery so very quickly I realized why the snipers on the roof weren't shooting a Crux because there's a tree in the way now for those who are listening and not able to watch the tree in the way in Google Earth is rendered as a clumsy 3D tree likee structure it's so we we've got two disadvantages here one that is a computer interpolated tree and two when the image that that tree comes from was made the tree may have been smaller because it's grown since then it may have been bigger because it's been pruned back so there's a certain amount we can't really even say without using some evidence from Modern video of which there are sure to be many right because the number of people with cell phones who will have captured that tree just accidentally now there's already some 3D analysis on YouTube uh from a channel I think it's called a tech and it's a young lady who does like 3D Maya stuff it's unreal she's got her lines all wrong but her 3D rendering is unbelievable I've got to get in touch with this lady and work with her if I can put my work into her wow we we'd be at another level here but you're right I mean who knows if they cut the tree down the day before the the event we don't know that so that's a very important point the data that we're using here is from Google it's Google Earth they may have cut this tree down the day before but according to Google Earth the snipers do not have a shot at Crooks do we have evidence that there's not a tree there so do we have reason to believe that this is inaccurate we would need to see evidence of that right so hold on hold on I I got to I got to go back okay the snipers who were famously on that roof behind what would have been Trump's right shoulder as he's facing the audience um did not if this tree is where we think it is from Google Earth did not have line of sight access to Crooks but there was another set of snipers on the roof over his left shoulder yeah we're going to get to them they're the ones who took the shot they're the ones who hit them in the mouth yeah they got them that that's the other set but this everybody was like why aren't they shooting why aren't they shooting because there's a tree in the way yeah they can't see them all right so this explains it now we have a logical explanation for why did those guys not shoot why didn't they take a shot at the guy well there's a tree in the way so this is what we mean by the science of wear so this is using photogrammetry right so this is using Satellite photographs to create the 3D objects and by lining it up unless there's evidence that since this imagery was taken the tree was pruned back or removed we kind of have to go with this so according to this this explains it this explains why they wouldn't shoot the guy there's a tree in the way all right so that's number one also potentially explains why Crooks would have placed himself there absolutely dude do you want to be out in the open or do you want to hide behind the tree from the snipers yeah I'm going to hide behind the tree from the snipers that's just me right I'd be hiding behind the tree from the snipers too he's 20 years old he's been playing Call of Duty for the last eight years the kid knows to hide behind the tree right I think we make that assumption he's pretty you know Call of Duty assume the kid knows how to play Call of Duty pretty well he's hiding behind the tree as want get shot in ahead so he's shimmying up the roof hides beyond the tree but he's got a clear shot of trump he absolutely has a clear shot of trump now what's this water tower oh that water tower so this is the water tower the ladies are talking about okay let's check it let's check this out what do you mean there's not a secret service guy up on the water tower why would you not want to have a secret service guy up there so I'm doing the 3D analysis the day after the shooting so what you've just what you've just shown for people who can't see it is that as you lower your Vantage Point down to the approximate top of the water tower you have a clear unobstructed view of the location where Trump would have been standing it's an obvious place from which to shoot in fact it would be I'm no sniper I have no such training but it seems to me it would be the best place from which to either protect against all of the other elevated locations or to shoot at the president if that was what you were doing both is the answer so yes that would be the ideal OverWatch location for the entire venue and if there is no OverWatch that is the ideal sniper location from that location you can take shots at the president not just on the stage but as their evacuating him to the vehicle you can keep shooting now why did they not keep shooting well according to the lady in the red shirt the red hat and the red hair because they shot the guy in the water tower that's why he stopped shooting well that would make sense otherwise we you know if if I'm a shooter if I'm a if I'm an assassin from Russia Korea Iran why would I stop stop shooting you guys want to run them to the car go ahead run them to the car I'll get you go ahead run why would I stop shooting because they shot because they the lady in the red shirt says cuz they shot the guy in the water tower oh okay all right all right well if I'm if we're going to play this through there's another reason you might not um which is so obviously we are going to allow ourselves to talk about various possible scenarios it doesn't mean that we believe any of these things but one scenario in fact one likely fact that would join many of the possible scenarios is that Kooks is a py and so the status of Kooks if krooks is dead then continuing to shoot reveals that this is not a lone gunman um so that would be another explanation for why uh the shooting might stop just just to put it on the table well Chris Martinson did an analysis yesterday that was Dynamite it was I thought too it's excellent all right so we're going to talk about that in a couple minutes we're going to come to that because that's really important all right so some of the stuff that he shares in that video is pivotally important and his conclusions are in correct and I'm going to show you why I was going to ask you about this because his conclusions and your conclusions uh disagree I respect what he did he did he did a nice job and a lot of what he did I'm using in other words I'm going to listen to what everybody says I'm going to use my discernment to figure out what what's he getting right what's he getting wrong okay Chris is a good friend of man I will tell you he will be nothing but thrilled to have you point out stuff that he's got wrong so he can keep upgrading his analysis and that's how I work same thing it's like if you came to me if you and Heather came back in two weeks and you're like dude we were checking into this it's not h7n9 it's H9 N2 I'd be like show me what' you find what you know show me what you got I'd be eager to see that I don't have a horse in the race right they don't they don't give me a brand new Corvette if it's really 87 and N I don't get you know there's no prize here what do I care if it's h H6 and8 I don't I dropped that H1N1 1918 like it was a hot potato I don't care I shouldn't say I don't care if I'm wrong I guess I I don't have like a vested interest in a straw man hypothesis is really the way I should say it I put the straw man up there to work around the minute the evidence indicates it's something else that's why we call it a STW man hypothesis that's the whole idea otherwise you would have an Iron Man hypothesis not a straw man hypothesis so this is what we're doing the process here is we're investigating all of it if it turns out all the cameras show there's nothing in the water tower maybe these women were mistaken and like you said maybe it's an echo off a bill what who the hell knows but it wouldn't it be kind of I don't know irresponsible to not look I think it would be irresponsible to not look that's just irresponsible to not look and I don't know I don't know how to explain this so that people really get it but the fact that none of us in the public know what was supposed to have happened with the water tower is itself a kind of evidence right was there or was there not a secret service agent on the water tower if there was not was it covered in some other way the fact that we don't know the answer to that question that you can't just say yes it was in the plan our site survey identified it as a potential Hazard and here's what what we did the fact that we don't have that piece of the puzzle means we are absolutely within our rights to to question what's going on with the water tower that's not irresponsible speculation that is our responsibility as Citizens to figure out why this story fails to make sense I agree with you completely so let me show you some video now this is a clip that that Chris Martinson was using and it's from my video I don't think he maybe he knows that maybe he doesn't know that but this is from my video what I did was I isolated the first shot this is the this is the Tweet of mine that now is at 6 million views this is why my Twitter blew up this week is because of this tweet and what this tweet indicates what this little video clip indicates everything we're doing in this show I've posted to Twitter so if you guys aren't following me on Twitter you probably should you can see all this stuff on Twitter all right I'm an at iore M aore John col j o h n c u l l n and you can see all this stuff so this is up there what we're going to watch now is the first shot this is very important it's very hard for people to get through their head everything you're going to see in this video we are looking at one shot just the first shot and I'm trying to figure out where is that first shot going and where is it coming from okay how many points do we need to define a line h two would do it two so if we have two points we can pretty much Define a line and if we have three points along the same line that's like a check sum right that X as our check sum okay so let's start with this Chris Martinson was using this footage and let's take a look at what we can see what we can learn here here we go I'm trying to start it we out without all my fancy music because again I don't want to get you so we're focusing on that rear corner and you're going to see what we call ballistic evidence this is evidence of a round hitting something watch closely something take a look what happen something take a look what all right you see this you see it I do okay there puff of smoke now that puff of smoke is that puff of smoke moving from right to left can you tell me let's take a look real quick is that mov left to right from myec okay [Music] okay all right so one of the things that Chris Martinson points out in this video is that there's a gentleman here in the middle and the gentleman here in the middle is wearing like a flag shirt or a flag wrapped around himself or something he bends over at that very instant and we're going to see him carried out by Medics or the police a few minutes later or actually they don't carry him they assist him out he has his flag wrapped around and he's holding his right torso he's holding his right torso okay and he to the left of the railing in this picture so we're now looking for a bullet that maybe pierced his right torso and that Railing at the same time which kind of doesn't really line up well with Mr Crooks but okay this is uh I'll show you guys a diagram in a second but this is the set of bleachers if you're looking at the president towards the president these are the bleachers off to the right side near where the hydraulic line got pierced so this is off to the right side uh away from the water Tower this is as far from the water tower as you could possibly be now I'm going to tell you guys in advance this shot is kind of strange that's why this has 6 million views on Twitter yep because at the same moment that the shot hits that rail or you know Split Second earlier this guy in a white shirt and white shorts takes a dive all right now the question is is he just slipping and falling or is this what we would call a kinetic event did something happen did he get clipped did he get nicked did he get hit let's watch this guy in white shorts white shirt and a red hat and see if we can figure out what's going on there with him [Music] so what's strange here is now we've got a guy in white shorts white shirt and a red hat going down at the same exact instant as we see that puff of smoke on the back rail right I must say when I saw this video which I saw on your Twitter my feeling was exactly the same chill I got when you put enough pieces together in the Las Vegas shooting that it was like oh [ __ ] this is actually highly credible um because what you've got here for those who can't see it is you've got three events in a line all the most parsimonious explanation for what you've got captured in this single video we don't have to worry about aligning it or anything like that is you've got three kinetic events in a straight line that tells you you had an object I mean a in my mind and I'm not an expert it raises questions about um what ammunition is involved right this thing penates that right we got to go one step but you got to you definitely have the strong suggestion of a line that you could extrapolate from the post gets community noted some d Dong from Netherlands or somewhere says no no no no no the guy in the white shorts on the white shirt he just slipped that he didn't get clipped he didn't get hit he just slipped and fell it just it's just a it's a coincidence that he slipped and fell at the same exact instant that the bullet hits the rail now keep in mind what it appears to me we see here from the ballistic and photographic evidence is a bullet traversing the back rail the back row of these bleachers is what I appear is what it it looks like I'm seeing here so I don't want to tell you guys what to think or what to see um but what we're looking now for is evidence of well is this happening at the same time or is this bang bang bang bang bang bang where're I'm rocking the slider in the video editor on one shot I'm just going back and forth on one bullet I'm just playing it over and over and over this is one shot so everything that you guys are going to see now is what happened with the first shot the point here is that the president is talking you're going to hear the president speaking and then it happens that means this is shot number one all right watch closely said take a look what happened that's it that's the first shot did you hear any shots before that no I didn't right okay so if that's the first shot that's the first shot okay take a look what happened have you heard any other shots prior to that nope what happened okay so now everybody's in agreement this is the first shot is the first shot coming from Crooks apparently apparently so this is how I approach it apparently not Is there further Evidence here yes there is let's finish up with this cuz again this was the first video this is the one where I'm like oh my God I got a guy down here and a guy down here I got to publish this okay we got two points on the line I got a guy in white shorts white shirt Red Hat he takes a dive and I got it hitting the railing in the back okay now what Chris Martinson points out is it also so hit the guy wearing the flag that's three points on the line and it hit the guy wearing the flag top in the right side of his torso as he's looking that way uhoh all right so let's watch this something to said take a look what happened take a look what happened [Music] if you want to really see something that said take a look what happened what know all right I apologize all right so now we get to the diagramming so what I did was I took a photo of the venue that had been taken I guess from a helicopter drone whatever right afterwards so they still got the garbage and everything that the cranes are still in in place the flag is blowing I'm going to tell you right now that the wind that day save president Trump's life you've got a breeze of 8 to 10 12 knots and it's blowing from the left to right in this Photograph the wind took that bullet exactly I mean you couldn't get closer without killing him and you couldn't get further away without hitting him the wind saved his life that day you've got a windage that took that bullet towards the bleachers away from his right ear the wind blew that bullet just enough and that's why he's still here had there been no wind that day he'd be dead all right so I'm going to I'm going to red flag that claim okay you can um here's why I'm going to red flag that claim okay I doubt you could have information about the exact instant that that is traveling from whatever no no no I get it I'm saying if the wind is consistent with what we see here with the flag so if it was as windy then as and we'll look at some footage we'll look at footage and we'll see how fast is that flag moving you may not know I'm an NRA expert longdistance shooter I shoot at 600 yards and a thousand yards oh I didn't know that competitively in the NRA so I'm used to reading flags and telling you based on that flag movement I can tell you if that's 6 mph or 10 mph wind based on looking at flags and I know how to set a scope so I know how to dial in windage and what I'm telling you is that a wind speed of 8 to 10 knots at 150 yard is about an is about an inch and a half I'm not saying that the claim is implausible I'm just saying that I don't uh unless imerial yeah I'm just saying it's like a footnote it is immaterial I just it's a footnote so what we see here in this diagram uh you guys can see this what I did was I I for this original one again and this is the earliest diagram I made this is the first one to illustrate what am I seeing here I'm seeing the guy in blue this little blue stick figure guy is the guy in the white shorts and the white shirt yeah okay the guy in red is the guy with the American flag okay is the guy in red the blue stick figure is the guy in the white shirt white shorts Red Hat you with me okay yeah so so the red the white shirt white shorts Red Hat guy on the left is my little stick figure here in blue yeah my stick figure in red is the guy with the American flag on his shoulders who gets clipped in the right hand side of his torso and then the railing is right behind him so for those who can't see this and are just listening the line drawn from Crooks location through the guy in the back left corner of the stands makes enough sense but it does not pass through the guy in the white clothes in the other side of the stands and given that you only have one shot it suggests it didn't come from there is that fair you got it so now somebody challenges me somebody Community notes this and says that the guy with the white shorts and the white shirt and the red hat he's just slipping this is just a slip he gets up and he's fine he didn't get shot nothing like that so this was the contention is if that guy's just slipping and falling and he's not one of the injured and he wasn't reported as somebody who is injured then this is a big nothing burger and you know we can move on right so I'm like okay let's take a look is this guy getting shot or is this guy just slipping on his uh cucha okay let's take a look that's with no sound okay is this guy getting shot or is this guy just slipping and falling down at the same exact moment as that first shot so now with [Music] sound okay so what happens is now I get challenged and now I've got to figure out okay am I right am I wrong so I've got to go focus on the guy in white now and I do a video that says uh you know let's take a look at the guy in white what is the story with the guy in white is this guy slipping and falling or is this is this guy getting clipped he may just be getting grazed dude if you get grazed you're going to fall down it hurts it hurts like hell right okay I don't know not definitive let's say the guy's slipping and falling so one of the guys that I've been working with on the covid stuff is pretty technical like a a real lab person knows all this stuff of the lab stuff that I don't know and he sends me a little clip and says watch this and let me share this with you so this is the this is how we develop an understanding of what really happened here the guy who sent you this somebody whose name you want to mention or are you deliberately leaving it out um he he works anonymously on Twitter as Bubba's Lamb Chop Shop uh LM Bubba and at LM Bubba is kind of a genius and has really helped me along with a nurse named Amy who's a cardiopulmonary nurse the the two of them unbelievable the contributions that they've made so Bubba sends me this Bubba's Lamb Chop Shop sends me this and says uh take a look at the lady in the Middle with the white hat on and is that her purse flying out of her hand or is that her sleeve that's getting hit by the round because if it is you've got four points on the line my friend so let's take a look at this watch the lady with the white hat in the middle between the guy in the shorts and the railing there's a lady there let's watch her said take a look what happened what happened what happened what happened what happened what Happ happed happed uh oh uh oh see this is why ballistic evidence matters what [Music] happen this is why ballistic evidence matters all right so then it Dawns on me dude let's look at everybody in the back row let's go down the back row we're looking at one shot do we see evidence of a kinetic disturbance as it moves down that row that's what I'm looking for do I see evidence of a kinetic disturbance as the shot moves down the road so now we're going to isolate everybody in the back row on the same shot watch this take a look at what happened but [Music] [Music] [Music] wow [Music] did you catch that or no oh I did all right what I'm about to do is blow your mind what you're seeing here are two different shots the shot that hits the railing is not the same shot that hits the guy in the black pants and the white shirt the shot that hits the guy in the black pants and the white shirt in the hip or in the liver is actually a millisecond after the shot that hits the rail so the shots going to hit the rail first and then you're going to see the guy in the black pants white shirt get hit it's a millisecond later all right so watch carefully you're watching the corner rail puff a smoke then the guy in the black pants white shirt gets hit that wouldn't make any sense if that shot's coming from Crooks what you're seeing now two different shots the first shot traverses the back row the second shot hits the guy with the black pants and white shirt watch closely [Music] this is when I figure it out dude I figure it out in real [Music] time something [Music] to what happened what happened what happened what happened what [Music] happened the red line is the first shot and the red line is going right down those bleachers but it's the second shot that hits the guy in the black pants and white shirt and that shot is coming from Crooks most it appears it appears that shot came from crooks on the roof but the first shot did not the first shot is traversing this back row and hopefully you guys can see the difference in the timing here when it hits the back railing versus when it hits the guy in the black pants and the white shirt it's a split second after so it's going to hit the corner railing and a millisecond later the guy in the black pants white shirt's going to take it in the hip watch again see if you see what I'm saying [Music] you see the delta in time it's a tiny TTA in time it's not big you guys see it I see it um it confuses the hell out of me I can't understand okay it's okay that's okay all you have to do is see it right so if you see it I can explain I'm going to explain it to you in a diagram all right so I got the pictures to explain it but once you realize that the guy in the black pants and the white shirt is being hit with a different round than the round that hit the guy with the flag okay the guy with the flag on his on his shoulders whatever he's being hit with the first shot that hits the railing the lady with the purse her per whether it's her purse or iPhone a hat or a hero sandwich I don't know guys something in her hands is flying is it flying from right to left or is it flying from left to right it's flying from left to right is the plume of smoke going left to right the plume of smoke is going left to right does a guy in the shorts look like he slipped on his cucha or does it look like he got clipped in the hip looks to me like got clipped in the hip okay we're seeing the kinetic disturbance all the way down the row the lady next to the person or the lady before the lady with the purse the lady to the left of her lifts her arms up like this and it's like you know is clearly stunned by what just happened and then the guy in the back corner gets hit the rail gets gets it we needed two points to make a line I like to have an overwhelming amount of evidence okay now we have an overwhelming number of points on a line that shows us that the first shot moves down the back row [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] what Happ [Music] [Music] [Music] all right I think that's pretty definitive right there so now it raises it raises some questions sure it does several questions I will just put them on the table maybe okay uh maybe it's just worth doing that one is the first shot there are two shots that happen almost simultaneously correct that's right that is an that is an amazing coincidence unless there's coordination and even then that level of coordination is beyond human no no no no do dude so this is another approach so one of the ways I go into this is if this was Dylan cold and Eric Harris 3.0 what would it look like okay bu bunch of pimply faed Call of Duty kids with some Motorola walkie-talkies some high-powered rifles could they pull this off could a couple of pimple-faced incels embarrass the Secret Service and no no no no no that's not that's not what I'm saying is beyond humor you're talking about a millisecond difference in the pulling of the trigger of two weapons not in the same place but if we had walkie-talkies if you and I had just Motorola Family Channel walkie-talkies and we were planning to do this and I said on my count ready three 2 one fire it would be with dude they'd be within m would be like that it would be within milliseconds ready obviously even a coincidence could put them there but it does suggest coordination between uh gunman but I don't want you to think it's superhuman I don't want you to think that is super that's not if you and I were on walkie-talkies and I said on my count we would be that close we would be that close so one question for me is two bullets that masquerade as one is interesting the lack of the press conference in which we discuss the damage to the railing and the fate of that projectile is interesting to me have we found it have we found a fragment of it do we have the railing is the railing under somebody's custody um and then to have what do you have six people in the back row who appear to have had a interaction with this projectile something like that looks like that to me so if that's true where is the press conference about all of the people who were either slightly injured or had their clothes torn or right it would seem that the fact that many citizens had an interaction with a projectile at a wouldbe assassination of a former president would create many different stories that were worth telling and worth hearing hearing and yet what we have is um we are left to guess what these things mean we are left to find them in video that was not intended to look at these people at all and so it's out of focus and you know jumpy well let's let's do a call to action I mean Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon if anybody knows anybody that was at the event it was anywhere near the back rows please have them reach out to Darkhorse podcast we need your personal account we need to hear what you heard we need to hear you know what you felt it's important so if anybody knows anybody that was there please reach out to dark or it's amazing to me that that's not circulating already right if a bullet ripped your purse out of your hand that wouldn't end up being described on your Instagram somehow if you're 72 years old do you have an Instagram no but you know maybe your granddaughter says you know my grandmother was there and purse has a hole in it you know dud are you hearing anything there's not a single interview with an eyewitness any they're not talking to anybody right they're right okay so let's look at these diagrams because the the lines are important it's important that we line these lines up okay so let me show you why this this matters all right so this is the diagram of the venue that I had been working off of uh initially so we're going to start with this and what you're seeing here again the the guy with the blue the little blue dude um and then the little white guy those are the people that get shot along the back row one all the way on the left side you know white shorts white shirt the guy in the thing now if the bullet is traveling down that back row where might it be coming from well we know it's moving left to right we see whatever that lady was holding it could have even have been the sleeve on her jacket or a sweater she's holding that get that the bullet just catches the sweater and I don't know what it doesn't matter what it is it's moving left to right okay and we see everything seems to be going that way and the puff of smoke is moving left to right well that would mean the bullet was coming from the left so if I extend the line from that back railing where does that line end up going it ends up going to the Secret Service guys so there's the Secret Service guys up here on the roof the sniper team and the line goes right past them now have you guys seen the footage of the Secret Service snipers that pull back they looks like they Flinch and they pull back from there have you seen that yep okay why would a secret service sniper move his shooting position what would be a good rationale for moving your shooting position couldn't see the Target or Target changed you're taking fire if you're taking fire you need to move your shooting location we see them both back up one of them is in the fetal position ducking the guy to the right the the guy you don't see much of is in the fetal position ducking the the guy who looks like Mr Macho Man with the tripod he backs up and moves the tripod back you don't move your shooting position you don't move your scope what the dude you don't do that you got to set everything up with the Bubble Level and everything you don't move it unless you're taking fire he moves back that first round was intended to take out the sniper it just misses him and he jumps back and it goes right down that back row and hits a bunch of bystanders that that shot is intended to take out the sniper that's the first shot okay so I finally understand what you're trying to tell me the sniper hypothetical scenario the sniper is a threat to an operation is that the idea hell yeah take the snipers out first that's absolutely Call of Duty Baby Call of Duty 3.0 take out the snipers first uh um hard for me to imagine if you've got a lone gunman as a PSY and your snipers turn up dead what is going to be argued that the psy took them out and I again I don't I don't I'm not at I don't get to the conclusion Point yet I'm simply looking at ballistic evidence where is the ballistic evidence telling me the bullet's coming from it's telling me the bullet's coming from right by that sniper's head went right past his head that's what the ballistic evidence is showing me whe assuming the kid on the roof is a py at this point he took shots the kid took sh we see him take he's on the roof with a gun he takes shots and then he's shot in the face they should have wait wait wait wait wait wait wait maybe you've seen something I haven't sure I I have not yet seen evidence that he took shots I have seen evidence that shots come from approximately his Direction and fair enough conjecture about the possibility that they came from the building below yeah certainly the presumption would be that they came from the guy with the gun on the roof I'm okay with that as a presumption yeah I believe he got shots off yeah I believe he did okay and the the evidence that Chris Martinson showed in his video which again we're going to come to that because that's pivotal that is the Lynch pin in all this this is what what and I don't know if he understands this to this degree but the evidence that he shows in his video blows the whole thing out of the water all right so he's showing that you know the the sound signature is different and that's two weapons it's so much beyond that it's so it's like yes and a million other things in addition to that but yes he's on the right track so we have a shot whizzing past the Secret Service guy he ducks and takes cover moves his position and that same round is the round that we just saw traversing the back row when you see the sniper Flinch was that on the fifth shot was that on the seventh shot or did he Flinch on the first shot he flinches on the first shot they were trying to take out the sniper that shot was meant to take him out okay uh I'm looking at that red line disappearing into the woods screen yeah yeah into the woods it's like okay well that's kind of weird and uncomfortable the other end of the line actually goes somewhere interesting but we see the ballistic characteristics of both the little puff of smoke and the ladyes purse or whatever going left to right so the bullet's not going right to left there's no way the bullet's going right to left it's not okay it's going left to right so if it's going left to right and it comes down from there it's pointing to the forest as un uncomfortable as that is okay okay so we put that up on the shelf and we keep looking around and we say okay the fire chief guy he's over on the left side weers he's the guy in red I got a little stick figure guy on the left side that's the fire chief he gets shot in the head and he's passed away that's comparator he's on the other bleachers on the other side Crooks has a line right at Trump could you could you I'm color blind and I am not spotting the guy in red can you point to him uh I don't know if that works and I have a p yeah I can I can see it okay so there's a fire chief okay so that's our fire chief dies in The Other bleacher correct he's in the other bleachers he takes one in the head and that's consistent with a shot from Crooks yeah all right so shot from Crooks lines up with him if you're shooting at president Trump hitting the fire tree perfectly reasonable and it lines up with the hydraulic line that gets hit so if you're shooting at Trump from Crook's position hit the hydraulic line as an accidental downrange Absolut yeah why not sure you know that's absolutely reasonable okay for those for those who are not putting that together in the initial videos that emerged you may have noticed that in as the shots are happening there's some spectacular release of some fluid as the speaker I guess that the uh is it a forklift or a crane the crane is holding up comes dropping rapidly so that is taken by everybody I think to be um that one of the bullets hits a hydraulic line and bursts it and the pressure that's holding this thing up dissipates explosively and what we're seeing here is that that hydraulic line is exactly in line with a shot at Trump from Crook's position so that's perfectly reasonable from a ballistic perspective perfectly reasonable to expect that a shot from Crooks at Trump would a hit the fire chief perfectly reasonable and B hit the hydraulic the hydraulic line on the crane absolutely reasonable it's in line that works and the guy in the black pants and the white shirt the guy in the black pants and the white shirt that gets hit appears to be getting shot from Crooks because he lines up as well on a shot with Trump okay so now if there are two Shooters and they're on radios and we say okay on my Mark 3 2 one one guy is going for the sniper one guy is going for the president the guy who goes for the president possibly Clips his ear is it possible that Crooks hits the president's ear yes it is if he did and that's the second shot that shot that hit the president's ear hit the man in the black pants and white shirt the shot that hit the president's ear ended up in the man in the black pants on the white shirt cuz that's that instant second shot people think the president was hit with the first shot the first shot hit the railing okay another question uh the guy in the black pants standing right in front of the railing where we see that little explosive release of dust where it hits the railing you're you're working hypothesis here is that the explosive releasee of dust at the railing or whatever it is the bullet disintegrating whatever causes that puff is not the same round as hit the guy in Black standing just adjacent to it correct is standing in front of him the guy in the black pants and the white shirt is hit an instant after it hits the railing okay then we were rocking back and forth right on the list of um press conferences that didn't bark there may be a round in a human being that is the round that it's president yes right which then is a very important piece of evidence because it will tell you very likely even if the all weapons used were the same caliber and firing the same rounds the same type of Amun amunition the individual signature of Any Given weapon can be ascertained by usually it would be the FBI I guess but um but it would be possible with Ballistics to ascertain whether or not the rifle that was found on the roof with Crooks is the rifle that shot one that shot the bullet that landed in this guy easily all right so it's 3D laser based technology that does all this stuff it's remarkable so if we had the bullet in the guy's hip the guy in the black pants and the white shirt if they remove that surgically that can absolutely be matched to the rifle absolutely unless you know frangible and exploded but they can imine ah but that correct me if I'm wrong again this is not my area of expertise but if it was a frangible bullet it would not likely have stayed intact right right and then it's a mess inside he's got a lot of bit bits and pieces and then it's very difficult to match it to the rifle very difficult which is why these ballistic calculations are so important that's why I'm doing this stuff to say is it reasonable is it is it an right could he have shot this what are we seeing on the film we see the guy in the black pants on white shirt shot an instant after that first shot enough that most people think the president was hit with the first shot he was not the first shot hits the railing the shot so right again I'm going to I'm going to keep making this point because I think it's it's just going to get lost otherwise and not lost between you and me but lost in the wider world the fact that we have not been told how many shell casings were on the roof with Crooks what ammunition he had how many bullets remained in the magazine he was using those are straightforward pieces of evidence that we could be told now that limit the ability of somebody to go back and retcon whatever comes up later so the idea that evidence that is simply factual account of how many shell casings is not a judgment call it's not something that requires analysis here's how many shell casings we came up with here's how many unfired rounds remain in the magazine right these things could simply be told to us we could be told what the ammunition was right that is there's a lot of information in that lay people won't necessarily know it but people who know a lot about weapons will understand that there's a lot of information contained in whether it was 223 or 5.56 NATO whether it was full metal jacket or whether these bullets were fancier whether they were designed to disintegrate all of that stuff we could be told now and the reason not to tell us well one reason not to tell us is because you don't know what story you're going to have to explain later and you want to leave yourself maximum flexibility to make the so-called evidence fit what we in the public have been able to deduce from other kinds of analyses can't I can't imagine why president Trump and his inner circle would want to cover up the true story what would the motivation be for Donald Trump Don Jr the inner circle of folks there to want to hide who really did this if it was Iran if it was Korea if it was Russia if it was China why would he want to hide that why would you want to hide that a Chinese operative did this now I'm not saying I'm just saying why would he want to hide anything yeah agre so all right so if it turns out it's not just one in cell it you know not one just one pimply faed 20-year-old kid with a rifle spending too much time in Call of Duty it's three of them so what why would we want to hide that in in other words we know about Dylan cleal Eric Harris why would you not want to tell us that there might be another guy if you shot a guy in the water tower where where's that guy what' you do with him where'd he go well actually it does it does raise a question okay the press conferences that would ordinarily accompany an event like this are you haven't seen them and I haven't seen them um so something's weird maybe maybe there's some explanation but I don't know what it is but at the very least Trump as the victim of an assassination attempt in which he was actually injured is entitled to this information the gentleman who's killed his family is entitled to the information um so and the public is entitled to the information so I would hope that the Trump Camp would actually uh exert public pressure to get the basic facts as well as they are known revealed to limit the possibility of somebody creating a Magic Bullet kind of scenario later to explain the inexplicable so I feel the same way I I can't imagine why anybody in the Trump Camp uh the you know Donald Trump Don Jr any of his inner circle why would they want to hide any type of a collusion any type of a cover up here again whether at one end of the spectrum to me it's it's Dylan cleal Eric Harris 3.0 it's a it's another bunch of you know lunatic kids with guns go berserk and today's the day they're going to die that's at one end of the spectrum at the other end of the spectrum it's JFK 2.0 right it's CIA plot so it's too soon for me to tell we're six days in I want to look at the ballistic evidence which is going to tell me where the gunshots are coming from once you see gunshots coming from different places well that kind of changes who it could be doing this right so that's why to me the ballistic evidence has to come first this comes first before now do we have ballistic evidence that there's gunshots coming from the kid on the roof that they call Thomas Crooks yeah I think we do I think I think we do and I think that uh that evidence was provided in fact by uh Chris Martinson so again we'll keep coming back to him in a second but it's important for us to develop this the screen I'm going to show you now shows the guy in the black pants and the white shirt as a stick figure so this is now further development of the understanding right so now I'm looking at the guy in the black pants and the white shirt is my stick figure guy over here and I've got him in the stands and he's just a little bit in front of the guy with the American flag shirt the guy in the American flag shirt is a row behind him and gets hit in the right side of the Torso we see that in Chris martinson's video he shows them carrying them down the side of the bleachers and we see that uh they assist the guy with the flag and he's shot in the right side of his torso in the back row while he's looking you know not to how he get shot in the right side of the Torso and it hits the rail and hits in the white now the guy in the black pants and the white shirt gets hit in the hip an instant later might that shot have come from Crooks is that the shot that hit the president's ear quite possibly but maybe not but maybe not it is possible that Crooks did not hit the president now how is that possible it's possible because I believe we have a third shooter all right so this makes this thing even crazier right so now if it's not just a second shooter now it appears we have a third shooter so the first thing to get you know sort of wrap your head around is that first shot is the red line in this diagram that hits a bunch of bystanders and the railing and that that shot was intended to hit the counter snipers on the roof that's what that shot is for it Miss have you uh is there obviously there are other ways it could happen but um is there an object in the forest in that direction there's trees there's trees in that direction and we'll we'll get to you know you mean there's a sniper in a tree it's Western Pennsylvania bro you know how many you know how many climbing tree stands Cabella cells do you have any idea AZ dozen different models of climbing tree stands I know it sounds crazy but so did helicopters they're shooting from helicopters in Las Vegas right you got a good track record uh with me on this one because because you you found the helicopters you know you can actually see the helicopters that you had hypothesized um in video that you were able to unearth and other kinds of evidence so I'm I'm willing to except you know a lot of things it's also not impossible that you had you know I guess uh a drone or something that would create an elevated position from right but razor so let's talk about this so aam's Razer tells us keep it simple a flying drone with a rifle on it that's a little complicated yeah Tre high powered all right do you I don't know if you have the ability to pull up your browser and go to Cabellas as I'm explaining this to you but if you go to cabellas.com which is like best shops or whatever you can buy something called a climbing tree stand it's what these guys who hunt use and Cabellas doesn't sell one climbing tree they've got 10 different models that go from $199 up to $450 based on how sophisticated climbing tree stand my point is you don't come from the world of climbing tree stands yeah guys in Western Pennsylvania that hunt they've got five of them in the garage because every year they buy a new one that's a little bit lighter weight and this one's got the USB charger built in and the heated seats well here's here's the problem though I'm not saying that you you might not be right maybe there's something I've never gone hunting I don't know what people do however I do come from a world where people climb trees right that's a biology thing too the likelihood you I guess what I'm in in inferring from what you have on the screen here and the red line that comes from off in the direction of the forest is that somebody would need to be I can see roughly how tall those trees are compared to say for example the water tower and you'd have to be at the very very top and that's probably not a place that a tree stand could sit I'm not suggesting this is what happened I'm saying the ballistic evidence y indicates this okay yep again I'm not one of these pound your fist on the desk gu saying the shooters in the fars I'm not I'm not that guy I'm the guy who says the lines are pointing to the forest as uncomfortable as that may be as uncomfortable as it may be that there's a meteor crater in Aur Nigeria that was created March 28th it's there y it's there okay what do you want me to tell you you want me to tell you this lines up with D no I'm saying it jokingly the point is it doesn't line up with the Dunkin Donuts it doesn't line up with the Burger King or the Mazda dealership It lines up with the woods yeah okay we put that on the Shelf now and we say okay sure as hell looks like the shot at the snipers came from the woods that's pretty weird and awkward cuz that's is introducing flying rifles on drones and climbing tree stands and crazy stuff y that on the Shelf okay we've got the ballistic evidence though this says well the shot obviously came from the left came from the left we see the snipers on film when we hear the first shot they're not shooting a people in the back row wasn't them we see them taking cover no it's not them they're not sh they're taking cover and backing up cowering the guy on the right was cowering in the fetal position had his knees underneath I like wait what are you okay so again this raises a question because if those snipers were taking fire and enough to move then they knew they were taking fire right so the question is can we hear them say that that's not what happened you know you got it so this is these are the questions that this is starting to introduce were you were were you why did you guys move yeah do you frequently your shooting position as the shooting begins you move you you're on Focus everything is dialed in and focused on the and then you move your rifle what the what are you doing that for cuz you're taking fire that shot whizzes past them how how does it not whiz past them if it just went down the back row you see the line that goes down the back row again I'm not putting the snipers where I think they were to make it line up I just draw the red line and I'm like oh man the red line goes right past where the snipers were uh oh you tell me you tell me you think you think that shot that was made down that back row were they shooting at the president was that shot at the president if that was a shot at the president man you suck that is a lousy shot if that shot was taken at the president hit the back railing of the of the so who are they shooting at and and I think it is clear I mean you know who knows what we don't know right but I think it is clear that that shot is impossible from Crook's known location well to hit runs yeah to hit everybody in the back row I mean yeah we see line is a line right so that's the kinetic evidence the ballistic evidence photographic evidence that the first shot was not taken by Crooks it was taken by somebody else that instantaneous second shot that hits the guy in the black pants and white shirt May in fact be the shot that hits the president's ear and lands in this guy's hip or liver wherever you know he got hit so as you said this is this is Major all right now it's important that we keep looking at this ballistic evidence because there's another aspect here that I need to share with you that's really important as as the president is speaking he's talking about immigration and how immigration was as or illegal immigration was as low as it's ever been in the history of mankind since you know the dawn of time under his administration and that's what he's talking about now he's talking about a chart that they've got up on the Jumbotron the chart is showing the dip and the rise and he's got red arrows on the chart and that's what he's referring to now for those of you who are squeamish or whatever this is going to get to the point where the shots ring out we're looking at the present you're not going to see the present get hit the guy who's filming this moves the camera back the instant that this shooting begins but this is the buildup right before he gets hit I want I want you guys to watch this and I want you to answer the question at the end of this what is he gesturing towards and glancing at what is he gesturing towards and glancing at okay guys take a look at that chart take a look at the arrow in the bottom see the Big R red arrow right so that's what I left what is he gesturing at and glancing at guys take a look at that sh take a look at the what's he pointing at he's pointing at the Jumbotron he's pointing at the Jumbotron and he keeps glancing at the jumon he's glancing at the Jumbotron he's pointing at it he's glancing at it all right it's important that you remember this and this angle he is pointing at and glancing back again and again and again at this Jumbotron okay why does that matter it matters because of ballistics if in fact he is glancing at that Jumbotron at the moment he is shot there is no way that Crooks hits him in the right ear Crooks would have hit him in the left side of the head if he's glancing at the Jumbotron Crooks hits him in the left temple and the president is dead the president glanced at the Jumbotron for an instant and last night at the Republican convention he confirmed it now is he sending me a secret message again yes he is what he said last night is if I didn't turn my head at that last moment I'd be dead Don Jr's already seen my stuff he knows what I'm what I'm suggesting Don Jr's seen it if the the Pres said it last night if I didn't turn my head at that last moment I'd be dead we see him glancing at the Jumbotron what he's suggesting is if he didn't turn and glance at the Jumbotron he'd be dead well if he's looking at the Jumbotron from his position Crooks HS him in the left side of the head yep I see it if he's looking at the Jumbotron what is directly behind the Jumbotron the top of the water tower uh oh this gets very awkward because we've got footage that shows something shadowy moving around potentially on top of the water tower and this footage was called to my attention Again by the you know the community of people that follow me and send me stuff and they're like well who what's that up there is that just the the escape hatch or the access thing and the shadow of it or is this something moving up there um many people are not aware that there was other sniper locations at the at the place so a lot of people know about the ones on one roof and the ones on the other roof not a lot of people know about this sniper location um and I'll be exploring that tonight on my show uh I do a podcast weekly and I'll be getting into this but this aspect of it you know if he's getting shot again let's go back to this video Let's look at the angle when he's gesturing this is really pivotal because this is going to determine was he hit by Crooks or was he hit by another shooter and that would change everything here so again look at what he's gesturing towards and what he's glancing guys take a look at that sh take a look at the arrow in the bottom see the Big R red arrow last night at the Republican convention he said if I didn't turn my head at the last minute I'd be dead the whole contention here is which way is he looking is he looking this way is he looking that way is he looking this way is he looking that way you've seen the 3D wire diagram that shows the animation he said it last night he said if I hadn't turned my head I'd be dead he just told you where the shooter was last night you you've challenged me in the past and you said when he says 1917 Spanish Flu 1917 Spanish Flu you think he's sending you a secret message I was the only one saying 1918 Spanish Flu I was the only one on that bandwagon and I was telling Laura Ingram and she's telling him so he knows um 1918 1918 1918 Spanish flu and he's going to the podium and say 1917 Spanish Flu who the hell you think he's talking to Carrot Top well I have to no no I have to to tell you I've seen your compilation of President Trump saying 1917 Spanish Flu like a dozen times I've seen him say it a dozen times in this one compilation I still don't understand the implication of it which I would imagine you will tell me at some point um so I know what you're talking about um I don't know anything about whether he's talking to you in particular I mean in fact isn't it too early for him to be aware of you no because I was so I was communicating with Laura Ingram Laura Ingram so behind the scenes this is April 2020 and we're shifting subjects a little bit but it involves Trump so during early stage covid Laura Ingram reaches out to me behind the scenes we end up talking on Skype and I am sending her charts I'm sending her CDC stuff I'm acting like an analyst sending her materials behind the scenes she doesn't nobody knows this and I'm sending her all kinds of stuff and she's saying this so what do you think it is I said it's reconstructed 1918 pandemic influenza it's the deadliest virus on Earth fouchy resurrected it dug it up in Alaska it's got a whole backstory to it and I'm telling her this he texts her constantly back in 2020 he's sending her sms's all day long and she's sending me eight or 10 emails a day and the one of the first emails that kind of knocked me out of my chair was for give it but it she said the email was the big guy wants to know about Brazil what should I tell him and the big guy in this case was was Trump and this was a message that I got from laa Ingram and I said you got to tell him it's going to get worse before it gets better it's not going to be good and so she's communicating with me and then getting back to him and I'm telling her it's 1918 Spanish flots 1918 Spanish fls reconstructed pandemic 1918 H1N1 Jeffrey talin bger Johan Holton Terrence tumpy an Reed dude I had this thing covered top to bottom and I was wrong by a year and he goes to the podium and says it's 1917 Spanish FL and you just said you weren't sure well what what's the significance of that 1917 Spanish Flu was not H1N1 in 1917 there was another pathogen that's a bird flu and Jeffrey talberg is probably the world's leading expert on influenza wrote a paper and said yeah the 1918 H1N1 and the 1917 strain that we now have samples of cuz warab got them from England it's not even close like these are barely related on the biological tree it's like you know these things weren't it's not like Delta and Omicron in the world of it's like so the the circulating strain in 1917 was h7n9 no no no but was a bird flu that the key element of it and the key element in 1917 and 1918 and the reason they couldn't tell the difference back then they didn't fig Talman bger didn't figure this out until like five years ago or something like this paper's new they both don't need Trion and they both don't need an A2 receptor which is gamechanging meaning these things can attach to any and don't need Trion to pierce the cell that means they can infect red blood cells uh the nervous system and they Traverse the blood brain barrier and can infect the brain and it causes en sephtis lethargica which is sleeping sickness sounds a lot like long Co to me we know this from the world's leading expert on influenza Jeffrey talberg talberg writes the paper that tells us 19 197 Spanish Flu was bird flu not H1N1 I didn't know this obviously somebody briefed the president on it cuz he wouldn't know that just coming into office like yeah you guys know the story about 197 he wouldn't know that unless he was briefed he was brief they told him yeah it's like the 1917 bird flu and it causes sleeping sickness which is in sephtis lethargic which is brain damage so we'll we'll talk about that another time but that's when he says 1917 Spanish flu that was a bird flu that's the significance of it in H7 and9 is a bird flu that also doesn't need tripson doesn't need an A2 receptor but we'll talk about that and so what John Unearthed and has compiled and you can find uh on his Twitter and elsewhere is a an anomalously large number of places where Trump is at a is speaking to somebody and invokes the uh Spanish flu and uses the date 1917 which is conspicuous because it's not the date we all know so anyway that's exactly that piece of evidence is secure for sure all right so now we've got this question of trump is on stage he's gesturing towards the Jumbotron he's he's got his right arm up and his right arm is pointing at the Jumbotron and he's glancing at the Jumbotron and at the Republican convention last night he told us if I didn't turn my head at that last minute I'd be dead all right so this is the video clip I'll just run a second of it so you see he's looking back and forth so if he looks a little bit to his left and he's looking towards Crooks we're good to go that that means the shot could have come from Crooks and Eclipse his right ear and hits the guy in the black pants white shirt but he's moving his head around and it's again I'm not a pound my fist on the desk guy I'm not going to tell you definitively I'm looking for possibilities is it possible it came from Crooks is it possible came from somewhere else and if it came from somewhere else where would the somewhere else be here we go so that's when I left office that was the lowest point and that comes right from the government services comes right out of border patrol take a look at that so that arrow is the lowest amount of illegal immigration ever in recorded history in all right he's pointing he's gesturing he's glancing all right so now if that's the case let's take a look how does crooks hit his right ear if he's glancing at the Jumbotron and this is where we get into the ballistic awkwardness of it all if he's glancing at the Jumbotron crooks on the rooftop is going to hit him in the left side of the head in the temple yeah Crooks cannot see Trump's right ear if Trump is looking at the Jumbotron it's obscured by his head it's eclipsed by his head right that appears to be the case I mean that's how it lines up I mean that's that's why the ballistic analysis is so pivotal if he's glancing at the Jumbotron we've got a shooter off to the right if he's not it's Crooks who gets the shot I can't tell you definitively yet I can't I don't know I know the guy down range in the black pants and white shirts taking one in the hip I see that I see that happen so I know Crooks is taking shots now the question is if he is glancing at the Jumbotron where might there be a shooter well what's right behind the Jumbotron ah yeah so let's take a look at this next video and see what do we think of this now what we're looking for is any type of movement okay any type of movement any type of difference in uh density shading anything that would indicate that this is something other than something stationary or Shadow or something like that let's take a look that chart that chart's a couple of months old and if you want to really see something they said take a look at what [Music] happened that chart that chart's a couple of months old gold and if you want to really see something that said take a look at what [Music] happened I got another one I've got another one all right it gets worse uh for people who didn't see it it's a video of the water tower which is not in Focus obviously the water tower was not the intended target of whoever took the video um and there appears to be a shadow uh from the point of view of us viewers on the right of the object sticking off the top of the tower which is I don't know a event of some kind maybe it's not it's actually an access hatch so in order to get to the top of the water to Tower there's actually a tube up the middle the water tower is like a donut and there's a hollow tube up the Middle with a ladder and then a hatch up at the top or a door depending on the design and you can get on top there's also a ladder around the back there's like a spy rolling ladder on the back side but you can't see from this vantage point but it sure looks like maybe there's a squirrel or something up there maybe it's a moth I don't know hard to tell you know I don't know what what we're seeing all right so this next footage is from another ey witness who's sitting in the bleachers behind Donald Trump Donald Trump is right in front of these people a little off to the left and she her attention is called somewhere else and she's distracted I want you to listen to what she says and look at where she looks and see if this is consistent with any of the other stuff that we've heard from any other eyewitnesses let's see what's going on here [Music] uhoh where are they running to thank you Trump thank you Youk you oh wow where are they Runing to [Music] am make am make Amer [Music] [Music] so we appear to have shadows on top of the water tower is that a person I don't know but we kind of started this with a eyewitness telling us uh they just killed the gentleman in the water tower right that's kind of how we started all this out right they said the the lady in the red shirt said they shot the guy in the water tower that's I think that's what she said right let's play that shooter shot to the left he killed a gentleman in the water tower here huh maybe that's why they don't want to have a press conference Brett yeah well okay so for again A lot of people are listening and not watching uh so let me just describe again we have another video in which you have the same anomalous dark seemingly moving object next to the vent or the whatever it is the uh access port on the top of the water tower there are many frames of that video in which I could easily believe you're just looking at a shadow on the far side of that uh that thing that sticks up um because the sun's on the other side and then there are other frames in which it actually no looks like there's movement that's completely inconsistent with a shadow so I don't know what to make of it but I believe it I I believe there's something to ask about for sure I do wonder you know obviously if what we're looking at is a multiple uh a multiple sniper operation there's lots of elements of it that were not successful so uh errors presumably are all over the place one error would appear to be that the person at the top of this white water tower would have been better off dressed in white than black um maybe I don't know what I'm talking about maybe on the way to the water tower they would have been better off dressed in something dark that would obscure them and then on the water tower I don't know but um but I do see enough reason to think that there's something on top of that water tower that I find the lack of a press conference about how that water tower was covered conspicuous I also can't confirm it but I believe I've seen video of somebody driving past the access road to the water tower the day after and that road is blocked off now whereas yeah yeah now it is but it was not during the thing which you know had there been somebody on the water tower there might well be evidence near the water tower what's more uh if somebody was shot on the water tower there'd be a lot of evidence potentially and it does raise questions about why we just don't simply know more about what way that water tower was or was not involved in the day's events it seems like an obvious set of questions I agree with you and I think that uh again we're now looking at the possibility that the president was not shot by thas krooks and it it introduces the possibility that the person who actually shot the president president is unknown and if that's the case well what are we talking about here are we talking about another incel are we talking about a foreign national uh are we you know are was this an Iranian hit quad I mean I have no idea but when the president last night said if I hadn't turned my head I'd be dead man he's glancing at that Jumbotron and the L they shot the tower you know I don't know who put together that wireframe model that we've all seen but I would point out that the footage that you've compiled here and what the President says as he's speaking at this rally suggests that he's pointing at the red arrow on the chart the chart is now famous so you could probably take that uh wireframe model and calibrate it pretty darn exactly if he's pointing at that red arrow at the moment he says that he is then that will allow you to know exactly where his ear would have been lined up and it doesn't appear to be consistent with Crook's location that's why I'm so eager to work with some of these 3D modeling experts that are out there who are posting the phenomenal 3D models but they're wrong so I want to get them lined up with this stuff so that we can say is it possible could you take a shot from the top of the water tower and miss the the Jumbotron right we need to see that in a 3D modeling system I don't have those skills right I worked with esri 35 years ago to put this thing together I'm not a 3D modeling expert I'm pretty good at cartography I'm pretty good on Google Earth but you know I need somebody with those Maya rendering skills that can do I don't know how to do that stuff and if we could dude we'd blow this thing out of the water this is um this is the method this is how I did it Vegas we piece it together now we're going to get more evidence people going to send me more photographic evidence more photographic evidence this guy got shot that guy got shot this guy got shot that guy got shot when we start piecing this together I will be able to show you where every shot came from and where they went but right now we're six days in we're six days in and we've potentially identified the locations of two additional Shooters and we've introduced the possibility that the president of the United States was not shot by Thomas krooks I do believe Thomas krooks got shots off Chris martinson's video has a recording he's showing a video clip that's recorded right near the shooter that shows the acoustic signatures different in the first couple shots from the last set of shots M quite compelling oh that's dude it's huge and he's looking at the crack thump measur M the crack thump measurements are all wrong the distance from the from where that person's recording to the shooter is like 65 yards all right so I I've done the calculations he's close and he's on the right track and he's doing a lot of good stuff and I learned a lot watching it but he thinks the guy in the black pants and the white shirt is shot with the same round that hits the railing oh wait wait wait wait wait wait I think the dime just dropped for me now I know what you're saying about Chris's uh error like which is that you are you have got an anomaly because the very presumably low amplitude Sonic Boom of the round itself passing Trump gets picked up by the mo microphone which is effectively right at the same place that Trump is and gets rebroadcast by the uh by the the PA system whereas the report from the gun is traveling directly from the gun to the person shooting the video yeah yeah that's true no that's all good that's all true but the the bigger issue here is let me see if I can show you here um when we go to this let me just scrub to where we need to be so when we get to this aspect where the guy in the black pants and the white shirt is shot hang on let me share this with you so when the guy in the black pants in the white shirt is shot the issue here is that he is shot an instant after the railing gets hit that means it's not the same shot Chris thinks the guy in the black pants and the white shirt and the guy in the American flag and the railing are all getting shot at the same time from Crooks that's impossible because we see the stuff happening down the line the shot that hits the railing is the first shot that's what we see at the beginning of the video right so at the beginning of the video we see it hit the railing okay so when it hits the railing it makes a little puff of smoke something to take a look what happened all right you see that little puff of smoke off the railing that's the first shot Bo we don't you don't hear any shots before that that first shot did not hit the guy in the black pants and the white shirt he's still standing there he's about to get shot right [Music] now second later half Split Second later it his shirt Rises and I didn't figure this out right took took me a little while to figure out that that was two shots that the guy getting hit here is a split second after the corner this is very [Music] important what you're looking for is the delta in time between the puff of smoke on the railing corner and this guy in the black and white getting hit okay there's the puff of smoke okay there's the puff of smoke see I'm rocking puff of smoke and now he gets hit puff of smoke watch this there we go sorry smoke puff a smoke watch the puff and then he gets hit so I do not believe this could possibly explain an anomaly like that but it is important for all of us who look at evidence like this to realize how how um heavily processed the images from virtually all cameras are so just to take a again I'm not saying I think this could possibly explain what we're looking at but if you take uh a standard you know if you take a cell phone a good one and you point it at the um the propeller of a plane it warps right it has a right angle in it because of the way the data is taken off the sensor sequentially so that it's not all one rolling shutter is what it's called exactly so I don't think rolling shutter could possibly be in play here but the idea if you were to look at the uh the prop of a propeller plane on an image it tells you something that's physically not true about the propeller so I don't think such a thing could be in play here but we do have to be aware that this is not silver grains on an Emulsion anymore this is uh a hybrid between photons hitting a sensor and what the sensor does with them to make uh an image out of it and I I don't I don't know what is done but I think we have to so so all that being true you know that's groovy and everything the problem here is that Chris Martinson thinks that this shot is coming from Crooks he doesn't realize that it's traversing the back row he hasn't looked down the back row he doesn't realize that the first shot is not coming from Crooks if the first shot hits that back railing corner and creates a puff of smoke and it knocks the purse out of the lady's hand and all that kind of stuff and it knocks down the guy in the shorts and everything and then this guy gets hit then this then he's hit the purse is already out purse is already flown this isn't an anomaly in the thing you know is picking it up so a split second later this guy is hit we see them carry him out and the net of this is the part that Chris Martinson is not aware of is you know all this stuff going on down the row he doesn't realize the bullet has traversed the back row this isn't coming from Crooks how could it be coming from Crooks if it's traversing the back row based on the diagrams that you know we've been looking at the red line on the diagram indicates exactly you know where this would be coming from and again that's that's not much of a mystery here we go back to uh you know I got the diagram with the guy in the black pants and the white shirt here I'll share this with everybody just so they can kind of wrap their head around so what is he suggesting what's going on here the first shot is the red line it traverses the back row of the bleachers knocks the guy in the white pants white shirt off the bleachers moves the lady's purse we see the kinetic evidence down that back row and it hits the railing that shot cannot be from Crooks period period you don't like it's in the woods you tell me where it's coming from you don't you know you you don't think it missed the snipers okay you tell me where it's coming from did it come from the tent was somebody in the white tent holding a gun 10 ft in the air and they shot the gun 10 ft in the air down the row of the bleachers what the hell would you do that for that would make why would you do that yeah and unfortunately um the ballistics those bullets ended up somewhere they sure did right they sure did they presumably buried themselves in the turf there all recoverable and you would imagine in an event like this recovering them would be an extremely high priority and it would be I don't want to say a trivial matter but simple enough to determine whether or not they all came from the gun that was found next to Crook's body that would be relatively easy and so you know chain of evidence is everything here right if yeah if you see those red if you see the red line and where that's going and you see the line from the water tower towards Trump and where that hits the ground and that corner near the pathway you see how it touches the ground near the corner right in front of the stands there's bullets in the ground there somebody was shooting a trump but apparently from that water tower if someone was shooting a trump from that water tower there would be rounds in the ground where that red where that yellow arrow was touching the ground there would be rounds in the ground and you would imagine that in a case like this this entire area I mean you can just see if you're watching this with the video you can see all you can see the the diameter of the relevant area to the incident of the shooting right we know how big a radius uh this circle has that that entire thing is an active Crime Scene It should be a national priority to figure out who is shooting at uh former and possibly future presidents that no nobody should be rushing to the conclusion that there were was ever one shooter right we do have one guy on a roof with a relevant rifle but it should be a national priority to rule out the possibility that anything else happened here that the location that all of the bullets ended up in they should all be marked should be everything should be so thoroughly documented and the crime scene should remain secure until effectively every inch of it has been recorded in every conceivably useful way way and I think unfortunately we know for sure that didn't happen and the way we know for sure that didn't happen is that we see pressure washing going on on the roof where Crooks was a day or two after so if you were trying to be able to resurrect a story of what exactly happened after all of those bullets had been found the location in which they were found had been uh carefully recorded those had been taken to ballistics all of the things that should happen in a case like this mean that you might then want to go back to that roof and ascertain whether some piece of evidence lines up with what you just found and for them to be pressure washing the roof says that this is not a secure crime scene that they've decided it's a open and shut case and uh are moving on and that's disturbing that sounds like you know again a level of incompetence that's hard to imagine but if in fact that they shot somebody who was in the water tower incompetence isn't even if you know now now we're in pure coverup mode if someone was shot in the water tower that means that means everybody on the inside is aware of that that means all the Secret Service people Trump's Inner Circle they know there was somebody in the water tower if some wait that that I don't get okay why would you say Trump's Inner Circle would know that you don't if if a if a police officer or a secret service sniper shot a shooter in the Water Tower that's not going to make it back to the president in his motorcade sir we got the we got a second shooter we got him in the water tower he's down and dead they're they're going to tell him the real story they're going to tell the president the real story but I don't I don't understand this at all it seems to me that you have the target of an attempted assassination it is possible that the incompetence we saw is nothing more than incompetence in which in case you would imagine that actual information would make it back to the president or it's possible that the attempt involves something having infiltrated the Secret Service or the Secret Service being involved in some way uh reminiscent of what seems to have happened with uh one and probably both of the kennedies so it's not obvious to me at all given how anomalous the evidence is here that a piece of evidence like that would necessarily have made it back to Trump and his team fair enough fair enough I mean I I'll go either way on that I'd be surprised if he didn't know again I'm assuming if if the lady in red with the red shirt who seems a bit frantic says they shot the guy in the water tower if that happened I tend to believe that aspect of this is going to work its way back to to former president Trump but then wouldn't he reveal it that's is isn't it in his interest to do so that's the part I don't understand this is the part that I don't understand why would he want to cover up right unless they're still looking for the guys so this is what happened with the Vegas shooting and the Vegas shooting he helps cover it up because NBS asks him to MBS says I got this I've got this MBS you need to fill that in Muhammad bin Salon the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia was the target of the Las Vegas shooting he says to Trump please keep this under wraps just tell everybody who's the white guy in the room I've got this five weeks later is the night of the long sword at the Ritz Carlton where he hangs AED bin tal upside down and beats him with Blackwater they arrest Bacher Bin Laden they arrest all the big names in Saudi Arabia November 5th 2017 all right so that that was the ret he asks Trump keep this quiet I'm going to take care of it and then Jamal kogi is assassinated on the oneyear anniversary the Los Vegas shooting Jamal kogi and a bin T the two that planned it and funded it along with MP bin Abdullah and Muhammad bin NAA and a whole bunch of other characters manur B mukran but the fact that Trump had to keep it quiet it so that NBS could get Justice the idea was covered up I'll get the real guys if the real guys think that we think it was the white guy well I'll get the real guys just give me six weeks and I'll get the real guys and he did and he got them same thing I think we're doing here I think if there are two Shooters three Shooters one of them may have escaped the third shooter may have escaped and if that's the case they want every the FBI and whoever's looking for this guy wants everyone to think open and shut case we got the kid we're done hose off the roof let's get the hell out of here and now the guy who was in the forest shooting from the tree he thinks he's you know getting a away SC free I think they're covering up the fact that they know there's a third shooter they're looking for the third shooter we we got a third shooter on the run that got out of there cuz you didn't hear they say and they shot another guy in the woods that shot came from the forest as uncomfortable as that is that's where the shot came from okay I'm struggling with this though because I hear you know we didn't cover the roof because of the slope and I think that is quite possibly the worst excuse any any human being has ever delivered for anything yeah it's worthless really couldn't I mean it's beyond worthless it's like so absurd uh at so many level even you know the roof becomes sloped at its peak like this is an excuse delivered by somebody who's literally never been on a roof um so whatever that is does not strike me as a secret service that got caught with its pants down now trying to find a shooter that escaped um this sounds more like [Music] um some state level something that managed to uh work every angle of this right I don't know who or why or what but you know I know I know it's getting complex and it's not and some information's breaking today that's very damning I don't want to get into it too much but it indicates there may have in back beenin somebody in the Water Tower and the other thing to notice is if somebody was in the Water Tower from Secret Service they would have a clear view and a clear shot of a kid on a roof with a rifle if you're on the water tower you see the kid on the on the roof with the rifle it'll be like dude I got a kid on the roof with a rifle yeah take him out done before he even gets a shot off he AB be done so that's not Secret Service on on the water tower we know that or the kid would have been taken out before he got a shot off well it's not Secret Service doing their job on the water tower um I I don't pretend to know anything about Secret Service were on the water tower they wouldn't be on the top of the water tower they'd be on the catwalk there's a catwalk the belly of the water tower they'd be on the catwalk with B there'd be a spotter and a guy with a rifle set up not on the tippy tippy tippy top a little harrowing whoever's on the top by the way is in a harness whoever's on the top is wearing a harness and is clipped in meaning if that guy is shot he's just going to slump over and die clipped in and harness to the he's not going to Tumble off the top he's clipped in yep how do I know how do I know because if I went to the water tower with my rifle I'd be wearing a harness and I'd be clipped in the hell what do what do you think I'm a I'm a circus act you clip in once you're clipped in you're in now if you shoot and kill me I'm just going to droop I'll still be there yep I may not move a lot but I'll still be there in fact I'm not going to move in at all if you shoot and kill me and I'm clipped in and I'm strapped into the top of that thing once you shoot and kill me I'm pretty motionless aren't I pretty motionless aren't I what did the lady say the sniper shot and killed the guy in the water tower she smoking is she High she tripping she doing mushrooms where'd she come up with that yeah I I agree it's a it's a conspicuous thing and it's very specific that she would think that um was I going to ask you oh yes you said that there's evidence that's going to come out about the water tower this is not a live broadcast it's going to be a couple days at least before it comes out any chance you can talk to me about it I'm not that I'm not that confident of the source um the source is somebody I uh don't necessarily trust and for me a big reason how I trust or don't trust people is if you're in investigative journalism and you've been ignoring my work on the Las Vegas shooting you don't see the helicopters you're trying to help cover it up I don't get that so I don't trust people who talk about the Las Vegas shooting and ignore my work in fact the definition of a limited hangout is ignoring pivotal evidence so if you more pivotal evidence why do you it's e at best case it's confirmation bias best case it's confirmation by you don't want to see what I have that ruins your hypothesis right that's confirmation bias that's the best case yep why would you not want to see evidence that Stephen Paddock didn't do it especially if you're Steven paddock's brother why would Steph paddock's brother not be reaching out to the only only man on Earth who's assembled the body of evidence that his brother didn't do it because Steven paddock's brother is a character you don't think there's such a thing as a crisis actor Until you realize why wouldn't this guy want to know that his brother didn't do it especially after what he said in the immediate aftermath of the shooting which is if I recall correctly something like I sure hope they find a brain tumor in them because this doesn't make any sense I have 250 something videos on YouTube about the Las Vegas shooting that show that Steven Paddock thought he was taking people shooting in the desert the next day okay I've gone out to the desert the massive Arsenal taking people shooting in the desert as you tell the story uh with the intent of selling them weapons that they like maybe right maybe but if you if you're going if you're a bunch of Sai guys and you got a you got a McLaren the other guys's got the Lamborghini the other guy's got the Ferrari and you're willing to pay 50,000 bucks to go out for the day and shoot a bunch of tanerite and blow up some watermelons and stuff I'm going to take your 50,000 I'm going to bring 24 guns with me a whole bunch of ammo and 100 pounds of tanerite and for 50 Grand I'll show you guys a great time you'll have you'll be blowing stuff up all over the place in the deserts of Nevada oh my God we'll have a blast you you you you you'd be laughing your head off and he's got three women living he's got three women checked into the room with him that's why he's got a minivan he's got a minivan and a Hyundai uh Sonata whatever the hell it is the Hyundai uh Tucson he's got a Hyundai Tucson and a minivan and he's checked in with three women he thinks he's taking a bunch of High rolling guys to the desert shooting that's why he's got 24 guns in the room a whole bunch of ammo and Tannerite and a minivan he's got him three women and four guys that's seven people and they come to the suite at 7:00 just to meet and greet we'll have a cocktail say hi show us what we're going to be shooting tomorrow knock knock hi you must be Steven Salam Alum bang he's dead and these guys take over so we'll we'll have to do another show where we get into the the Las Vegas shooting and do something on the on the covid what I believe was a cover up and uh I I think you'll be fascinated again to me it's just about the evidence I'm not a a an insistent guy if you guys have better evidence right if you're like no no no look look look this shot came from here hit this guy look look at this guy's hat I'm I'm perfectly prepared to be wrong here right I'm perfectly prepared to be wrong if there's nobody in the Water Tower and the lady was hallucinating and that's just a shadow nobody in the Water Tower Crooks hit his ear but the first shot did not come from Crooks not if it went down that row of bleachers we've got a second shooter and the audio from Chris martinson's thing I'll be focusing that on that tonight on my podcast on my channel on my YouTube thing yeah so for those who haven't seen Chris martinson's thing I suggest you do we will link it here uh along with John's work um but what it does is it analyzes the sound that was recorded during the event and quite convincingly suggests uh two and possibly more Shooters beyond the sniper who took out Crooks um and you can hear it you can just simply hear that you're listening to different weapons and that the uh the signature the time difference between the Sonic Booms that pass the microphone from the projectiles themselves and the report from the weapons um does not it's not consistent with one shooter he's done some very important work his observations are pivotal he's uh using audacity which is the same acoustic analysis software that I use and when we line up the cracks and the thumps uh we see anomalies that we shouldn't see and I don't know maybe you can set something up where you get both of us on the show at the same time I'll show you guys this stuff it'll blow your mind basically what I'm doing is I am uh like jury rigging shot spotter I'm using people's cell phones in different locations to calculate the delay and in doing so I can triangulate where the shots are coming from now it takes me a little bit of time to do that Carnegie melons got soft I don't know if you know anybody at Carnegie melon if you do they've got software that does this that we can just Lo recordings from people's cell phones and it will triangulate and tell us where the shots are coming from Carnegie Mel this after the biggest shooting if you know anybody there let's let's make some phone calls see if we can get our from that software I don't but maybe they will reach out all right so uh they've got it otherwise I just do with my hand I just have to do spreadsheets and I'll I'll do the analysis with multiple videos but the idea is if I can get a cell phone camera at four different locations in this venu we got them I can tell you where where the shots are coming from okay but um one thing I want to go back to it because I was uh thinking out loud sounds like you think that I have at least part of this right and it seems to me that it impinges on the analysis that Chris was doing which is you're the crack thump analysis that you would traditionally do if you had a microphone that is picking up both the crack and the thump then you can do a simple comparison of how different in time their arrival is and you can calculate how far away the gun is because the sound moves at the speed of sound and the bullet moves at a faster speed and so it arri the sonic boom arrives faster however you cannot do that in a straightforward way if you are picking up the sonic boom from the projectile and you're picking that up through the PA system whereas you're picking up the report from the weapon directly from the cell phone because now you're picking these things up at two different positions and you have to correct for that distance which isn't even a simple matter unless they're all in a line so am I right about that absolutely right about the part where the microphone is picking up the crack so and and again A lot of people are going to miscalculate based on that the microphone that Trump is wearing picks up the lady saying what are we going to do what are we doing what are we doing right so we hear that we hear him say let me grab my shoe his mic is hot because his mic is hot and somebody's filming we are so I'm explaining this you're hearing both the crack and the minuscule delay of the acoustic system it's got to get picked up from the mic get to the speakers and get transmitted there is a tiny delay between the actual crack and a crack you're going to hear over the PA when it's recorded in front of trump but the other recording that Chris Martinson shares is recorded next to krook and in the one next to Crooks some of the shots we don't hear the crack that's because we're not downrange we're next to Crooks if you're next to Crooks you don't hear the crack you just hear the thump the crack is when the bullet passes you by the way within 125 ft at the speed of sound if the bullet passes you 400t away you don't even hear it you won't hear the crack if you're within 125 ft you're going to hear the crack as it passes you but if you're next to the shooter you just hear the thump the bullet's not passing you don't hear that it just goes boom you don't hear the even if even if you did even if you did hear the crack you wouldn't be able to distinguish it because the difference in the speed between the bullet and so the report from the gun and the sonic boom from the bullet they're going to be concentrated together in space until they've had time to separate well what here's what I'm saying if I'm on a shooting line if I've got my gun here and I'm getting ready to fire and you're standing 50 ft away from me perpendicular from my Firing Line you're at 90° I'm going to shoot this way you're standing over there when I shoot the gun you're only going to hear the boom of the gun you're not going to hear the crack you're only going to hear what we call the thump because the bullet isn't passing you the bullet is 3,000 feet down range within so it's not going past you if the and it's not a it's not a huge amplitude it's a small object past ing through the air so it's a sonic boom but you got to be reasonably close for it not to Decay so much that you can't hear it now if you're down range if you're a 100 yards away from the shooter and he's shooting towards you that's when you hear the crack is the minute the bullet passes you the thump is the actual boom from the gun sound traveling down range from the shooter yep so those are those those two things now Chris Martinson makes a couple of Mis calculations on the distances and that's what I'll be getting into my show tonight is looking at the crack thump Delta at. 22 seconds what does that indicate the distance is and that's what I'll be exploring on my podcast tonight with my you know I have a patron thing and I do that kind of deep stuff with them so I'll be getting into that so you said something that confuses me do we know that President Trump was wearing a lapel mic no it could you're right it could be the podium mic it could be the mic picking it up it's either I've been assuming that it's the podium mic picking it up it's either one but the the notion hang the notion here is that a microphone on the podium whether it's his lavalier or the podium mic is picking up the crack you're absolutely right and then transmitting it out over the speakers so we're hearing the crack twice you're absolutely right about that yeah and so anyway it's a confusing analysis to have to do because Pres presumably the podium mic well a there's this factor which I missed when I first started thinking about this I heard these these shots and I thought that has to be very low power because they're so quiet but no the sound system of course compresses sound in order that if somebody shouts into a microphone it doesn't distort so um the sound system attenuates everything but that means that like if you take one shot that passes the podium that shot will have a sonic boom that goes into the podium mic it will have a report that the microphone might pick up but because it's coming from the wrong direction the microphones exclude sound from not the expected Direction specifically so that you don't have all kinds of stray noises you know when an airplane flies over the podcast you don't want to hear the airplane you just want to hear the people talking so microphones exclude noise but there's a possibility of three things you would pick up the sonic boom in the podium mic you would pick up the report of the gun directly if you were holding a cell phone at some third position um and you might hear the report of the gun also reported through the microphone so that means it could be a very chaotic situation in which you have to isolate these things from each other in order to know which two things to measure the time difference between and you have to know the position of the podium mic you need to know the position of the speakers that are then broadcasting that will be picked up by the cell phone and you need to know the position of the cell phone in order to correct for all of these things in order to infer a shooter location that's why we'd love Carnegie melon's help because doing all this by hand is a royal pain in the neck so you're yeah you're absolutely right so one shot to somebody who's holding up an iPhone in record mode one shot can generate Four Peaks the original Sonic Boom get the crack is also picked up by the microphone and will be broadcast in a split second over the PA and then the thump comes down which may also be picked up by the microphone which also is about to be rebroadcast by the PA so a single crack thump if picked up by the PA microphones whether on a lapel or on the podium is going to generate an echo and that's what Chris Martinson is seeing on the graph is the echo potentially from the PA and now you got to separate out the echo Peaks from the from the real Peaks and that's why having the microphone next to the shooter is so pivotal it's so key so again he's on to something hot I'm going to be working with some of his material but some of his conclusions he's a little bit off Bas and that's why I'd love to get with him and show him some of this stuff so he understands that the first shot could not have come from Crooks if it hits that railing and clips the guy in the white pants and the white shorts I mean we've seen this evidence so clearly there's a there's a shot coming from another direction as uncomfortable as that is again what what I'm I'm going to use ostrich bias I'm not going to look at it because it's uncomfortable no I'm you I'm going to figure it out no I think it is our patriotic duty to chase this stuff down frankly I've got to wrap it up uh my my puppies are screaming I've had them in their in their dog crate for three hours so they're well uh John Cullen it has been a real pleasure and it has of course been fascinating um the story is still very much in the early phases and I will imagine that we will have to revisit it uh soon maybe we'll get together with Chris Martinson and we can do a podcast in which we uh pull our insights and your skill sets um and and we obviously have to return to the question of h7n9 um bird flu and the Los Vegas shootings so anyway we got our work cut out for us but I look forward to it I can't thank you enough for having me on the show and if uh the people watching want to catch up with my work some of this is on YouTube so I have a YouTube channel but most of that has been the co and the and the Vegas shooting stuff you can go to youtube.com imj Cullen uh you can follow me on Twitter at iore Amore johnen and if you guys want to support my work I do this full-time this is my day job and I don't have sponsors I don't sell pillows or nutrients or anything like that so if you want to help me do this work there's really only one way to do that that's in patreon or subscrib stari am John Cohen and you for five bucks a month you can support my work and that's how I make a living believe it or not I make a living exclusively off of patreon And subscribe star that allows me to do this type of research with no sponsors at all no sponsors well I want to thank you for doing it um for those people who are trying to find you on one of those uh platforms uh Cullen is c l l n so for example on Twitter iore a mcore j h n c u l l n and all right again incredibly grateful thank you for having me and uh send my best to Heather and I'm looking forward to having the conversation with you guys about bird flu because I think I think you're going to be stunned when you see some of this awesome well I'm looking forward to it thank you for joining me and uh thanks to all of you for listening [Music]