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5/8? 7/8? 11/16? (How to count odd meters-Video

Apr 7, 2025

Lecture Notes: Understanding Asymmetrical Time Signatures

Introduction

  • Discussion on the challenges and intricacies of asymmetrical time signatures in music, such as 5/8, 7/8, 11/16.
  • Human preference for regular patterns makes irregular meters challenging.
  • Regular time signatures like 4/4 are easy and often passive.

Psychological & Physical Challenges

  • Irregular meters are asymmetrical and cannot be divided equally.
  • Playing in 4/4 is easy due to its regular pulse.
  • Asymmetrical meters require active engagement and thinking.
  • Risk of slipping back into regular counting, losing the rhythm.

Approach to Asymmetrical Meters

  1. Conceptualize the Meters
    • Understand how these time signatures are structured.
  2. Feel the Meters
    • Develop a natural feel for the irregular beats.

Conceptualization Strategy

  • Any meter can be divided into groups of two and three.
  • Regular meters like 4/4 divide into groups of two (eighth notes).
  • Asymmetrical meters mix these groups.

Examples of Asymmetrical Meters

  • 7/8:
    • Divided as 2+2+3, 3+2+2, or 2+3+2.
  • 5/8:
    • Divided as 2+3 or 3+2.
  • 11/16:
    • Divided as 3+3+3+2, 3+3+2+3, etc.
  • 9/8:
    • Normally triple compound (3 groups of 3), but can be varied.
    • E.g., Dave Brubeck's "Blue Rondo à la Turk" uses a pattern of 2+2+2+3 and 3+3+3.
  • 8/8:
    • Equivalent to 4/4, divided as 3+3+2 or other variations.
    • "The Simpsons" theme uses 3+2+3.

Feeling Asymmetrical Meters

  • Key to mastering meters is practice to develop a natural feeling.
  • Simplify practice by clapping beats without notes.
  • Use a metronome set to an eighth note.
  • Clap groupings, accentuating the first beat of each group.
  • Gradually increase the pace to make it feel as natural as 4/4.

Conclusion

  • Emphasize practice in developing comfort with asymmetrical meters.
  • Ultimately aim for a natural groove.
  • The lecture concludes with encouragement to continue practicing and experimenting.