all right welcome back everybody we are on week four of diversity in the family um many of us folks were just chatting before lecture recorded about the fires in the area um I am on the other side I'm in Corona and so other side of the airport fire so um kind of gave everyone a heads up if my internet or power shuts down for any reason um I will re-record and upload it for you guys um we just happen to go dark in the middle of our lecture today but we should be okay um I hope everyone else is safe and well if anything comes up because of these fires in the area I know there's a bunch of them here in Southern California just keep me in the loop and let me know what's going on and where you're at and we'll go from there um because I know it impacts I'm in the middle of like three four different fires so I know things can get kind of you know uh crazy at times in terms of just kind of how to do everything and you if you have to evacuate you have to evacuate so um just keep me informed all right so let's move on to diversity and family this week week four um there not that many slides this week um but there are some information and things that I'm just throwing out that I really want you to kind of pay attention to and keep um note of um but this we're not very slide heavy this week as much so it's kind of good this week um the topic for this week is on is social class okay this week what you're going to do by Sunday when you have completed all the readings and the assignment for the week you would have accomplished these learning objectives the learning objectives are explaining the role of that social class and socioeconomic status may have in the lives of families relate how class may impact family therapy and explore the role of social class and socioeconomic status in your family abortion okay those are the objectives for this the readings there are some readings but there also um more videos as well this week so you've got three chapters in the revisioning text chapters 3 four and six you also have an article social class tensions within the families if anyone has trouble accessing that article let me know and I can send it out to you guys um in the event that sometimes you know links break in canvas and if if you can't get to it I haven't heard that anyone's had any trouble yet so I'm assuming it's working but if anything happens let me know video there's three video uh videos to watch this week on the future of changing of families four discoveries that change everything a video on social stratification and a video on how economic inequality harms societies this week the assignments there's not that many it seems but it one of them will take a little bit of work so the first one is just the lecture reflection so you're going to have the lecture reflection uh to complete by Sunday it's due do have time to do that um it is like 10 points or so so as early as you can knock it out the best so that you can focus on the rest of the work this week because the work um is going to be a little bit more immersive this week um you're going to be the doing the diverse diversity cultural immersion assignment um I'm going to take some time to really kind of talk about this um and it's interesting because um I have already had some questions about it um and I did reach out to um our curriculum actually one of the uh directors of our program to verify that is this correct what we're doing here um because this is I've taught this course before and one of the this assignment's a little bit changed so I just wanted to verify like wait is this really what's we're doing here um so the purpose of this assignment is to provide you the opportunity to confront social class or poverty okay so what you're going to do is you're going to choose one of the following options so the first option is to plan a visit to a homeless shelter or a food distribution center within an underserved community when you arrive find out what the criteria requirements are for receiving help through these organizations and what steps are involved for any individual or family who are seeking resources if you can partake in the packaging of toiletry food items or preparations or anything like that if you can participate in any way and volunteer there for like a little bit of time just to be able to experience that please do so um stay and observe your environment for at least 30 minutes okay some people have uh reached out to food shelter programs and seeing when they have programs even within the week um and that's also fine and helpful um some people also have pulled information for this assignment from their uh website that they have or their County's website to see what's offered so those are some kind of options for you if you choose this particular portion of that assignment now the second option sounds a little interesting um so this second one is um um I have a question sorry I'm G to would a clothing distribution count yeah if it is like something that is requiring like serving underserved population and Community um and it's clothing specific that's fine too I'll accept that the second option is to look in your bathroom over the course of the week okay and you're and you're only allowed to use what you presently have left on your toilet paper roll okay so use carefully because if you run out you may not replenish the conclusion until the conclusion of the week your options are to find something else to use other than toilet paper or ask one of your classmates to donate a r now I did reach out to our develop our ad ad ministrators on this one because I this is not something that I remember doing teaching um the last few terms that we've done this so I wanted to know if this was something because of Co the toilet paper thing or where this came from um it is true we are do this is it it is been changed to this this assignment has been changed to reflect this second option um now it sounds funny but then again when we think about it and we're relating it to social class or poverty it can be very serious for people that don't have certain needs and resources and how conservation and things are really important so um as interesting as it sounds for an assignment it can be someone's real life as well so um this is an assignment that was included um to um this course it is an assignment that um one of our um directors had actually had in their program and they found it interesting I did ask them how would we donate a rooll if we're doing online right so that may be a piece that you might not be able to do so if you do this option you might have to conserve um you know um unless you guys live found out that you lived close to each other or something like that you know um so observe your environment each day for this one so you're going to evaluate that for the course of the week okay so that's your option number two prepare 500 to 750 word paper in which you address the following um describe how you executed the test what explain what happened how you felt and what you thought identify what you learned about yourself and the implications of your work as a therapist and this will be submitted by Sunday um it's only 500 to um 500 to 750 words um you do not need necessarily to include APA style it did not say so but if you want to have extra support and practice with it please go ahead and do so um and one of the other things that are helpful in terms of grading are if you were to take the body of your paper and highlight it and stick in the word count that comes up so there's a tab word that will tell you what the word count is of what you've highlighted that's helpful and just include it in your paper somewhere maybe in the beginning or the end and just say word count you know 763 or whatever your word count is just to help and Aiden um grading as well it's not a requirement so don't worry if you forget um okay anybody have any questions before we move on um for the lecture this week because I know this assignment may bring up some questions S I have had been asked if other people live with me and use the same bathroom what do I do with the toilet paper um if that is the case then um you would probably have to do what people would have to do is try to work on conservation that that would be the toilet paper that everyone has to use right in the home during that time so the um assignment is to confront social class and poverty um so um you know we're putting ourselves in that immersion experience okay um I have a comment that it may be harder for women than men is that on purpose I don't know I'm not sure how they identified this one um on purpose or not um but I do know it was used as an assignment for one of our directors in their program and um it must have been a need experience in terms of what they uncovered individually and and with their peers so um that's probably why it was incorporated um a few terms ago when I was teaching this course it was not included as this part of the assignment so you have an option so if if that one seems a little harder and it's not something that you really want to take on then then you can choose the option number one for the assignment any other thoughts questions now of course this is kind of how you're executing the task what you felt what happened it's more of your own personal journey of it right so it's not like you're going to be docked points for your having your own beliefs about it right but what I'll be looking for is kind of like how how did you answer those aspects how did you execute it what happened how you felt your thoughts and what did you learn um either about social class poverty um what would you do if a client came to you with that kind of was in your shoes in this experience you know things like that okay any other questions thoughts all right so let's go ahead and move on if anything comes up please let me know um send me a message and go from there um see okay so we're going to move on to social class um what is social class okay um social class often refers to a classification that's based on socioeconomics variables so that can include income wealth education occupation things like that um you know on page 39 of the text it talks about um the land of opportunities the American dream um the goal was to have equal opportunities um and the prospect of betterment from previous generations and The Narrative of working hard save a little take pride in your children who did better than you and to retire comfor comfortably that was Ed kind of the American dream um you know we it also this section also talks about different aspects of racial disparities that are part of social class um there is a quote I wanted to read just a second okay all right um there was a quote um let see on page 39 it was where it talks about the American dream that I was just reading you um it says here I'm just going to read it real quick for you guys um the American dream has been a powerful guiding mythology in our society from its early days the nation's Founders recognized that e economic inequality had led to constant Strife in societies um since ancient times the rich tyrannized the poor who would then Revolt rooted in our fundamental values of freedom and Independence our society would be based on mediocracy with the opportunity to achieve prosperity and Success Through talent and hard work immigrants FL flock to the land of opportunity fleeing atro aristocracies and dictators War famine or political repression that limited life chances in principle without privileged hierarchies every citizen could succeed with effort and determination um regardless of social class or circumstances of birth and without restriction of Class cast religion or ethnicity the a fundamental aspect of the American dream is equal opportunity for all for a richer Fuller life with up Mobility for one's family and children for the lower and middle classes the expectation that the Next Generation could rise above their parents has been an at the heart of the dream the prospect of betterment is scripted in Social narrative work this is where the quote work hard save a little take pride in your children who do better than you did and retire comfortably came from thus it focuses on the pursuit and fuel striving with the pressure to succeed it's in ideals its Progressive utopian dream of Freedom equality equal opportunity and future possibilities it animates Rising expectations to reinvent ourselves our Creeds of Hope and change the entrepreneurial spirit Spirit the sacredness of home and Allure of consumer goods and wealth are embedded in the Dream It's woven the fabric of shared American ideal as portrayed in I IC paintings of the good of Life by Morman wo uh white middle class family around bound to fill dinner table in their comfortable Home and Community now reason I'm say reading this is talking about the what the idea is of the American dream when we're working with families especially in diversity of of different walks of life their reasons for coming to the US are different right um a culturation um I bring this up I did my dissertation on family Dynamics and communication patterns in Indian families and I looked at a culturation as a point of it what were some of the reasons that um these individuals came to migrate here to the US what was considered for them you know it depends what I found was it depended on when they immigrated to the US especially for the Indian population um in terms of what their version of moving here was for whether they moved because of marriage whether they moved because they were coming from you know some particular individuals um not from the Indian you know race but other cultures have probably moved from like um you know for because of uh Wars things to escape things like that others um it depended on if they came here when they were younger for opportunities to work and then or that they moved when their families were younger age and for pursuing the American dream having a better betterment of living than in their home countries whatever their home countries may be so reason this is important because you really want to understand what is how does one Define what their reasons are for immigrating to the US what were some of the reasons that they came to us when you work with your clients when you I can identify what level of social class are they coming from like what's their SCS just based on in come what they work they do um can give a sense of their um maybe struggles their goals their uh values you know things like that so why is it important um also there's a on page 48 um there's a quote there on 48 that's really interesting my book was goes from page 46 to 40 something okay here it is I missed a page I was like did that happen um okay so there's a quote here on page 48 that talks about our lives exist and take on meaning within the social worlds that have shaped us and through which we negotiate our paths of life okay thought that was kind of an interesting quote that I wanted to kind of in there from our book so why is it important for clinicians to understand social class it helps to understand socieconomic socioeconomical influences that couples and families have what what situations can cause them distress um what are their future aspirations um research has also indicated that low marriage rates High divorce rates are among four individuals and are not based on their character flaws or cultures but more on their economic insecurity it's one of the most common reasons for divorce in couples we many of you probably know that Financial stress is one of the major impacts of um why families individuals divorce um not the only Factor but one of the major factors so therapists really need to understand the emotional and relational problems within poor minority families in light of socioeconomical and political context really understanding one's reasons to come to the to America what does it what did it mean for them what does it mean for them and for their family system and was social class similar or different in their cultures you know what did it look like and then then the other aspect of this week is also the poverty and social sociocultural trauma po poverty is a traumatic experience that affects individuals and family system um and it can be often intergenerational as well um some of your classmates may have been impacted by poverty or are impacted by poverty some individuals around you maybe you had been you know um feeling the effects of poverty at some point in your life or upbringing um or no individuals that are currently struggling around you um it can be a traumatic experience so you really want to be able to work with the system the individual um look at resiliency factors within the family system um what was it like for their ability to survive or have minimal resources so that's what makes this assignment you know impactful in terms of the toilet paper assignment where you're really kind of looking at something that generally everyone does have access to but you in terms of poverty sometimes it's hard to purchase those materials the things that you even the basics of things that we need so to kind of have a little bit of exposure in that if you haven't okay um the videos this week um the videos this week are going to talk a lot about uh the role of parents the future of families um the movement of families from hierarchy to more of a web approach social stratification is basically like categorizing groups and people and it's used to kind of establish like social markers and ranks so that's kind of what that means um you'll understand more when you watch the videos but just on a hierarchical like overview um and how inequality harms Society like monetary funds job opportunities like how it really impacts in harm Society now this um so I I wanted to ask everyone a question you know how has the covid impact and the pandemic impacted social class and family situations now we were all part of the covid impact right and pandemic that's something that we lived through that was impactful during our time um that affected all aspects of individuals from all countries I mean hence the word pandemic but you know it impacted everybody from all social classes all cultures all race all sces um and ethnicities and you know individuals um of all Races um so that is something that we all have shared right so I always bring up the co impact because it's something that we're is in it impacted our society it impacted not only us individually culturally but globally so everyone had a say or an idea or a thought on how they you know went through this pandemic so I want you to think about how families have had to make some drastic changes sources of Economic and personal and financial stressors during that time maybe some of you are still feeling the effects of that maybe you're not maybe you can think about people that have had made some major changes in their systems because of that impact um so that is something that really affected um f families caused distress caused a lot of trauma at the time and um we're some people are still dealing with that I still see folks all the time that are still having struggling with what they went through during the covid-19 impact so um kind of wanted to ask anyone anyone have any thoughts on this um I'll open up the question to anyone just to have some a little bit of dialogue um no pressure but if anyone has a thought yes go ahead um yeah okay so um basically during the beginning and this is actually why I left the medical field because there was a lot of mandates that shouldn't have been at the time um a lot of things that occurred that were illegal actually in the medical field so I chose to leave um so let's start with that secondly they started telling people whose jobs were essential and whose were not essential which forced people to have to stay home and not work now I don't believe anybody's job is more important than someone else's I think everyone has the right to work and the fact that they basically told people that they have to stay home and they can't have a job anymore was completely wrong so that's why put on those were your your reasons uhuh yeah and because my job was considered essential I was still working which is fine but uh for anyone who was told that their job was not essential that was wrong our government should never went that far okay okay yeah I mean I think this is so I mean we've all everyone was affected in different ways from that and but it was something that really kind of affected um Financial stressors for a lot of people and it impacted everybody on all social class areas right um now um you know so those are some things that you know I think I I don't you know I don't want to get into the politics behind it but at the same time I'm talking about more the impact about what happened individually for a lot of families and struggles and social class and the struggles from all different areas as well so yeah and people had to make drastic changes you left a field right you left a profession a field families changed um I know that in some family systems you know it was the male that was more the dominant figure that was the the income provider and then rooll reversal happened right and so if it was a then maybe the female individual in the family ended up picking up a different job or multiple jobs just to sustain um kids were at home right that impacted a lot um how did it impact families that were already in poverty and having to somehow still survive making money as well as having children at home right so I bring this one up because this one impacted in all those areas right the family system economics um you know Financial stressors individual stressors relation SHP stressors you know I was seeing couples that were really in the midst of Separation but because of the situation of children having to be at home and homeschooling and you know whatever was happening with the school districts they decided to cohabitate together and just deal with it so that they could get through that period now that wasn't ideal for some of them because they were in the process of wanting to separate divorce but then they were like okay well we just have to come together for this moment in time and just we may not want to be with each other but it's more their focus change to the shift of the kids and what the family system needed at large but good good thoughts um can I share uh something that like in reference to high school students that I've noticed in my yeah that so I um I work with ATR teens in Orange County and um you know we they got to like express some of whatever is on their heart during my sessions because we use art as a way to kind of unpack there and it's been interesting to see how Co had an impact on them like when they started in they may have been like in fifth or sixth grade when this all H started you know so they went through like these developmental years as a middle schooler um and how their house you know their their parents had to work and they were exposed to covid in ways that some you know the fam the people the caregivers that were at home were the older elders and then they were exposing exposing they had the parents had to go to work and then they would come home you know and it just really C created a lot of conflict and there was a lot more like what they've expressed to me was like neglect because in some situations they basically were fifth or sixth graders at home by themselves with maybe other you know um older or younger but because those parents um had to do work that was like that somehow was still like being needed to be done or they were considered like you know they had to so um with that neglect the this is a lot of like their mental health had effect on it and um there wasn't like the support that they needed that they needed from their family and their and to process all that like heavy um so there so basically a lot of time the reason these conversations have come up is when we're talking about their anxiety and where it started um I mean I'm not asking these questions they're just kind of sort of sharing like when did it all start and it's really interesting how um you know it all started at at a at this point where there was a major shift in their household and there was all this stress and they had for lower income they had this extra stress and then I don't know now they now things are different and they still have this anxiety so um yeah that was something that I just was aware of and wanted to share absolutely yeah I mean you you have you bring up a good point I mean everybody was affected in their in their and their anxiety was affected in certain ways right um young old in middle class you know it it didn't matter right um someone who was you know extremely poor maybe living on the streets versus someone who's extremely wealthy making millions a day you know you know things they were the reason that this is so important and pivotal in our time is because you're going to still see the effects of it Years After I'm still seeing effects of it and starting what 20120 when it occurred we're four years in and I'm still seeing patients that bring up they'll bring up their anxiety started their Depression started around covid time so then there's always this discussion of preco what was it like for you postco and where you are now um so those are yeah Elizabeth good you have a question oh yeah just to add if we're still able to speak on this um the really interesting obviously the financial effects of what you were speaking on just now Dr baj still the whole world is still living with the financial impact of covid and then with Russia and the geopolitical and all the resources and I mean everyone complains about it but it affected every single human the cost of our groceries going up the other interesting thing remember all the babies that were born and they weren't used to people and then you'd see them like even this year or L maybe two years ago when we were all still first coming out without masks and they were like the parents would say oh sorry he you know she's a CO baby or you know like they'd apologized because they were all shy yeah yeah absolutely mhm that's a big big Point too attachment was different then too um you know I can speak personally my niece was born um she was born January 2020 we went lockdown March and every so the first whenever she saw us we were almost masked around her and then it was we were unmasked and we had faces and then but We Were Strangers right and then one of and she didn't have her first birthday until she was I forget like two three I don't know whatever time but it was you know attachments were different then kids attached to obviously their parents because they were the ones or whoever was their caregiver at the time but others and how did they acclimate back into what we termed a society of going to school and things like that right so you're going to see these impacts are just still going to keep coming and coming with time um I was going to add one more thing even the children at the elementary I was I was working at they did once the masks were allowed to come off a lot of them didn't want to even take their masks off they got so used to wearing it you know the cloth masks that they were so attached to them several of them said no I want to keep it on the anxiety the youngsters had yes the fear and fear of exposure fear of you know I'm not doing the right thing like different reasons right uh you know and obviously everyone's belief systems kind of were different too at the time but you look into the factors of whatever despite anyone's belief factors the impact is what we're talking about right the impact on society the impact on families individually young at two a two months old born till now like you know um a lot of my elderly folks the isolation they were already isolated because they lived alone then not even seeing even the ones that they even barely saw as family members was the impact was so so hard for those folks them learning how to do zoom them learning how to you know adapt and survive in a way right um to be able to have their needs met um I thought it was really neat some of my um one of my families that I was seeing at the time or individuals I was seeing sorry at that time she lived alone but what they would do is every week she and her family would get on a zoom she and her couple daughters would get on a zoom together they would all get a recipe the same recipe and they would all get their ingredients of what they needed for that recipe and they would cook on Zoom together and pop everything in their individual ovens stay on the zoom and chitchat and do their thing and then food would be prepared come out they'll all enjoy enjoy and talk and eat that became their family dinner weekly for her and that was the thing she looked forward to because it was a sense of her connection right now what happened now when covid the lockdown H went away and things like life happened she doesn't get that far away so and some of it is a fear of also going out for her because she's a mean of compromised so you know um you have to go with different um you have to understand their narratives individual narratives of what they're going through and what what impact anything you know we're talking about covid but it could be anything you know it could be um Trauma from what's going on with their cultures and environments and things like that um so I didn't get to meet my nephew in person until I was three years old yeah I know yeah couldn't hung my family members during a funeral they wanted they didn't want my niece there because they were afraid she might be a carrier of Co yeah there every family every individual had different reasons for different things and we as therapists right are not there to say well that's not the right belief or that's not the right belief their belief is their belief their culture is their culture if we cannot work with them in their narrative and what space they're bringing to us that is something that we have to look into for ourselves there's where reach out for supervision you're you know you're look into your own personal counseling you know things like that like whoa I really don't believe like in whatever my client is saying and I just don't I can't every time I see my client walk in I cringe because we have to talk about it and it is not my belief system I just supervisor I cannot do this I don't know what's going on I need another case Okay do we need another case or is this something you can work work through too and be able to work through separating so I mean there may be a point where you may need a new case and you really can't work with them but look these are the things that we're talking about that can be impactful so good discussions on that good thoughts someone was denying medicine for autoimmune illness yeah yeah a lot impacted in different ways if you think about it and look back back and think about social class poverty family situations the changes families and individuals made income personal finances Financial medical all of those aspects there is a twinge of something in that that impacted so yeah so the reason I always bring this up is because this is current in our time this is something we all live to right implications for therapist as always it's important to pause it's important to think and reflect about class poverty and within the family system slow it down slow down that engagement process right now when you when you're when you're talking with your clients engage in self-reflection uncover bias and implicit biases and things no one's rushing you through this yeah maybe your site has oh you can only see this client five times that's fine you can take some moment to pause and reflect in out you know in session outside of session before supervision or whatnot on what's happening with the case with the client with you you know that no one's going to take from you that's up to you to work on practicing and um and being able to give your client the best that you can um um so just some thoughts here on the discussion for this week kind of what resonated with you in the week's readings and videos um any new skills that you learned this week that you'll incorporate in near future um and just writing your thoughts on social class for your role as a therapist just some kind of talking points things just to kind of think about for yourselves in regards to this topic this week it's just kind of one of the last slides here um just to kind of process where we're at and if anyone has any thoughts questions on that you know we can talk about it I appreciate you guys having that dialogue today um and really bringing up aspects that were important that you saw with people that you were close to or you felt had you know going through it's important because you know just as our clients are going to come in here living it we had our own experiences right okay any thoughts any questions anything I can help you with start looking ahead at the future weeks coming up in your syllabus so that you can kind of take a peek as to what's coming so you're not surprised kind of slowly start to kind of look ahead um and jot down some ideas for those assignments so that you're kind of getting more prepared as they come up I had a question sure about so some of the topics presented in the readings and the books are um like I feel like they're a little political and they're kind of presented like pretty factually like matter of fact like and I was wondering I don't know what what are your thoughts on that comment I guess in terms of in the book with in um the revisioning text is that the one yeah like it's it seems to just have like a lot of a like kind of bias towards like just certain political themes and it kind of I feel like it presents them as fact whether I don't know like I have gotten some of that before from some students um now because each chapter is written by like another individual and it's coming from those perspectives that's why I think it may feel like that um and it's kind of a compilation of topics and I'm not sure how the authors actually picked you know okay like for example chapter section one on theoretical perspectives is on spirituality suffering and resilience right that's the topic yeah so somebody asked in the chat for a specific example and it's like for I think let me see I just was reading the the chapter for this week saying kind of like the Divide between like let me find it really quick uh just or I I don't think I'm going to find it in a good amount of time but it said something about like non-white income and white versus white income is growing in like disproportionately like obviously for um non-white people being negative white people being positive but like if you pull up I mean statistics it just differs I think nonwhite is pretty vague you know like so for example like asian-americans kind of have higher income but the book doesn't really uh specify like that non-white or like Asians are considered non-white but they have higher income and so kind of stuff like that like it just doesn't seem to be totally specific or accurate it may be because the authors have chosen these particular people to write about the topic for whatever reason that and they've included that in there you know I guess that goes like to my question of like how do you kind of uh you just kind of take it as fact even though it doesn't really I would look at it from the perspective of the the writer right the perspective that they're writing about the Journey of what they're writing about because here what does that mean what does that mean though for Cle in the acknowledgements um of the book it says that the contributors to the volume have found the courage to write about their most painful experience life experiences so it is coming from more of that personal perspective um think of it almost as clients or people presented to you that are coming to you with this information right okay okay so not so kind of more opinion or perspective based then perspective based but it's throwing the information and Theory out there too if that makes sense okay okay yeah I just wanted to clarify because there's I mean it kind of sometimes I understand what you're saying in terms of yes it comes out like kind of rubs you the wrong way right it just seemed a little some of the topics seemed a little more politically skewed than others and it just yeah a little bit contradictory depending on the chapter and the topic but anyways I think that's the nature of just the way that they've compiled the book together um that type of thing so but good thought good I have had that question before I have let the university know and it is a book that they continue to use I sure you know I'd let them know okay thank you any other thoughts questions that's interesting like um like thank you atin for sharing that um it's interesting because as you said like let imagine that as like your client feeling that way or having that impression and and sharing that with you these thoughts that are like perspective right and how do you um separate that and just take it as what that's their perspective and so um yeah it was that's just really interesting that like I hadn't thought about it like that yeah it's kind of an immersive experience as well in itself right exactly yeah I also can I add one more thing yeah also Austin in the very front of the book after The edit you can see contributors and you can see who's writing it where they where like their qualifications and like where they're working okay I have an ebook I'm checking now okay yeah okay I see some of them are out of the country some are in the US some have phds some don't but like maybe it'll give you more of a perspective of where they're coming from so you can put yourself in there experience okay yeah know this that does help because you I I I mean I guess just personally like I I'm like biracial and like family internationally so it's just interesting hearing the different perspectives and kind of yeah relating it to like you know my own family because they talk about you know C both ethnicities of that I um whatever both of my family ethnicities I guess and it's just interesting because yeah anyways good good thoughts yeah definitely appreciate everyone's input on that so yeah absolutely it is coming from those different stems and it is a book that they have revised multiple times and um put those perspectives in the book you know purposefully you know so all right excuse me don't want to take more of anyone's time but any other questions or any thoughts before we close today no okay as always um yes Judith hi just really quickly I was reviewing the um syllabus um trying to do some of that looking ahead you we're just talking about and um you like in efforts to prepare for like any type of exam um I didn't see anything like that like on like a test or anything like that should we be preparing for something like that you mean for like the final exam yeah and like if there's like a date for it um let me see so do we have a final exam on this I'm kind of looking there I don't see one does anyone see one I thought we did but I guess we don't diversity in the family I do not see a final exam for this one um because the last week you have a application discussion you have a competency project in week 14 I don't see a final paper final exam thank you and if there was a final exam I I'm the type of Professor that will will give you guys like a study guide of topics um I just think it's so much information in 15 weeks I'd like to kind of provide something I would have liked my faculty to do it so I would do that so if there was a final I would have provided you with something closer to the date um to where um you know where it would just be topics so that you can kind of fill in you know areas thank you so much okay all right any other thoughts and questions okay right well everybody stay safe and well and if anybody needs anything please reach out to me let me know and I've got office hours as always 10 to 12 on Thursdays if you need a 15-minute block great let's meet let me know when if not if you can't meet then let me know and we'll find a time that works for your schedule in line okay and I will see you guys live next week and we did not lose power we're good so okay have a good week everybody thank you thank you take care thank you