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Dante Fortson Interviews Brother Berean

hey what's up everybody it is dante fortune here i hope everyone is having a great night uh wherever you are we're gonna go ahead and get started in just a moment uh press the one uh the number one if you can hear me in the chat room please for those of you who are listening live if you well if you can't hear me it wouldn't make sense for you to press a number but if you can hear me uh please press the number one i'm waiting to see the number ones pop up before i continue all right there's a few second delay i do see the ones coming through the chat room now so we are um on a slight delay so i'm gonna go ahead and jump into everything since i do see those ones popping up uh if you are visiting for the first time make sure you hit the thumbs up button the like button and make sure you um go ahead and click the subscription uh or the subscribe button and if you've already clicked the subscribe button make sure you hit the thumbs up button and let's see hebrewsphere.com make sure you go check out hebrewsphere.com israelite on social media network for those of you who want to support uh go to cash app and type in bhitb or you can support via patreon.com forward slash dante fortson and finally if you're looking for research information you information you can go to black history in the bible dot com so my guest tonight does not need a lot of introduction most of you are familiar with his youtube channel uh and somewhat controversial opinions and guests on his show and i've been wanting to talk to brother berean for a while he interviewed me um i want to say a couple months ago and so now he's on the show and i'm going to talk to brother berean and we're going to hopefully learn some new stuff get some insights um if you guys have questions type them in the chat i will try to get to a few of the questions um tonight so let me see here if i can let me turn on my chat so i can actually see you guys's uh chat real quick hold on i'm trying stream yard this is only my second time uh using stream yard so i'm not sure how to turn on the youtube chat so i can see everything hold on give me one second here and i'll get everything up and running right last time i did this it was already in the proper chat here we go give me a second i'm having technical difficulties here with this all right i got it we're up and running now i figured everything out cool perfect all right so here we go i'm gonna go ahead and bring on brother berean now brother berean how you doing tonight grace and peace sir can you hear me now all right it's good it's good having you here um i'm dropping stuff over here all right here we go so let's uh let's start at the beginning how did you grow up did you grow up a religious household what brought you to this belief system yeah my my mother my mother grace of peace everybody being from god the father and the lord and savior jesus christ my mother was a a youth or minister she was in charge of the youth quarter back in the days in brooklyn in bed-stuy brooklyn and in the church of god so i grew up in church heavily involved in church and my mom you know family in the choir going to conferences and conventions and camp meetings and and things of that nature i was definitely in the church and then you know when i got off age or you know how it is they start asking you when you become a teenager 15 16 if you want to go do you want to go to church once you told me once i had the choice i'm like i'm done i'm good i'm going to hang out on the avenue and that was the that was the beginning got some trouble right there for me but that's basically how how i started off i've been in the church my family's in the church my sister's nieces nephews everybody's involved in ministry even up until this day i was raised up in a good strong christian household my pops wasn't a believer but he he definitely encouraged us going to church and stuff like that so my mom she um she just took the lead but that far as our spirituality and stuff and and and the word is definitely on was instilled in us from young all right so you were brought up in a christian household now how long did you hold on to your traditional beliefs because i know you like to have answers to questions how long did tradition satisfy you before you had to start digging for your own answers it was a while when i um when i when i started getting in trouble going to hang out and get in bed stein and albany and you know i started hanging out in projects in brooklyn i started getting into trouble with some people another brother i think my first case i caught a case with corinthian another church guy pentecostal guy and i and his mother you know gave him the choice if he wanted to go to church or not and and him and i were in the streets and i caught a case with him and i started getting in trouble and you know going back and forth to the island rikers island and that's that's when i was like well i want to i want to rededicate my life after after two or three times in and out it looks like you know it was getting serious and they were trying to send me away i i eventually had to go away then i rededicated my life i was like lord i know these streets are not for me but once i got there that's when the problem started you know i started running into some some guards to five percenters and people that i knew from the neighborhood i told them i was trying to stay away from them and i was going to walk a straight line but i end up meeting them upstate anyway meeting them on the island and you know getting transported upstate going through the penile system i ran into a lot of them and they will see me in the in my cell they would see me going to church and you know reading my bible in the yard and that's when the trouble started all right so now you mentioned going away and a lot of us know what that means for those that don't google it um now once you're inside there's a lot of religious stuff going on and most people that ain't been inside they don't know um there's a lot of religious stuff going on you got islam like you said the five percentage you got christianity you got chemic you got pretty much everything in there what made you stick with the bible and not gravitate towards some of these other belief systems while in there because as time went on i started you know i'm heavy in prayer and i'm reading the word we going to bible study and stuff and i noticed a lot of they started saying a lot of stuff bringing up it was on a lot of that old cyber survival centers and stuff they were heavy into chemic so i started getting a lot of books started laying into dr ben but for some reason a lot of what they were saying i can i can ride with it because or because of a lot of what was going on what i call a deep state church or just christianity in general i can't even say europeanized christianity there was so many things that they were saying and it was so much that was going on with christianity that i really had a problem and i really had to do some self-examining in the scriptures and dealing with the pictures and the movies and things of that nature and that's what had me to really really dig and it started to do the pictures a lot of them were troubling me about pictures and i remember running into some other um other people that were bringing out things with the scripture as far as the the complexion of the apostle paul and him and book of acts being confused with an egyptian and moses's wife and i started looking at things like the black presence in the bible and i started laying into it right there and there weren't a lot of there weren't a lot of israelites in there there was a fight back in the 90s it was a heavy thing with the five percenters it was real heavy with them and you know the osiris thing was just jumping a lot of five percenters were switching to the comedic spirituality so that was the majority of it going back and forth with them and the slave ship jesus and europeans and slavery and that is kind of the beginning of it right there i spent a lot of time in my cellar spent a lot of time by myself but when i would get to the yard they would come out and i would do like i would do on you know marine tv we would we would talk and they would gather back then they didn't let you they didn't care if more than four people gathered you know people that's in the penitentiary right now tell me you know we can't have a big crowd back then i go to the yard it's 30 40 people around me and they throwing questions out and we just and we just going in so it was a totally different atmosphere and that and and i grew a lot from that so i was tolerant with a lot of people so we would go back and forth and they said we'll come to the yard tonight and we would go back and we would stay on one subject for a long time a lot of people get offended when i'm online and i'm talking to people and i'm letting them share their opinion but i was trained in that that you have to listen to other people and then there you know you can't just violate you have to respect everybody and it's different from you know what a lot of church people quote unquote church people would or do now when they're in the streets so there's a certain tolerance that i had that came from that and i learned a lot from them guys and them guys learned a lot from me also and you know there were some guys that said man i'ma start going to church you know some muslim brothers i was invited you know ramadan they want to invite everybody because the end of the day is plenty food i would get invited to ramadan i would go to the mosque and sit down and we would be back and forth with islam and the history and the sooner the prophet muhammad we would be back and forth to the place to where it got with that they had to call the outside iman and he would come in and he would start asking questions and we're going through high deep and everything and that was kind of like my seminary one brother's talk about seminary and stuff that was kind of like my training and and how i came up i found so much truth in the word of god i had problems with the pictures i had problems with things they did in christianity i had problems with the tree i had problems i started seeing so much stuff and i was wondering why christianity would do so many things that's unbiblical and you know later on i found that a lot of people saying well that's tradition and our tradition is important but in the meantime we were always banging i'm reading shit publication and so many other books we're banging on the roman catholic church and we're saying that solar scriptor scripture stands alone and forget everything else and at the same time i'm seeing that we're doing some things that just came down through the church fathers that just came down later on that was tradition and not biblical i didn't have any problems in there with them at all we did a lot of evangelizing a lot of brothers in their saved and word worshipping real church one thing about guys in there they having real churches not playing no games and they're seeing you day in day out they're living with you for years at a time so when i came home it was a little different i think i ran into some other serious problems when i came home dealing with christians and how christians viewed things and how much christians wanted to hold on to certain things that weren't biblical and i was kind of shocked that people didn't want to really go in for the gospel so years later i i end up seeing on some guys in the street kingston a troop dead started israelites would be downtown brooklyn and i would go back and forth and and and and get into it with them but to be honest a lot of them were saying things and i had views that held closer to them than a lot of people in the church that i was going to you know i i continued in the church but there were some other people that held some views that i held on to and and the church people were cite me they will cite me concerning certain things and i seriously had a problem with that let me try to read some of the screens here what's on the screen in case any questions coming up all right so now i think it's interesting that you pointed out something that i know personally myself it's different on the inside the way people carry themselves and conduct themselves and like you said a lot of the stuff that these church people do is violation inside of there they wouldn't you know do it in there and i'll be with you sometimes with some of the stuff you're saying uh because some of these dudes get way out of pocket and being in there you you get around a lot of information and people that are knowledgeable so you can't just they say move a certain way on the inside now you said something about the pictures bothered you what exactly was it about the pictures that started to bother you oh being in there you know it's a it's a it's a heavy with a lot of them cats in the comedic spirituality it's us against them you know that europeans saying everybody because we're in there especially not so much like asylum there's a lot of black officers but once you get upstate all almost all of the officers 99 of the officers are european so it's us against them and these are the devils in and you know just going through a lot of history and one thing i could say guys in there they don't have they don't have too much to do you're going to lift weights you're going to go to the yard you're going to work out you're going to you're going to read books and it's a lot of brothers in there reading books you just can't start opening up your mouth and just saying anything off the top of your head you got to really know cause there's some guys spending some time in there and there's so much history that they've been bringing out that we didn't learn the school and that was kind of shocking to me and the mere fact just the mere fact like some brothers would say just the mere fact that they educate us the way they educate us they're doing it for a reason and then i'm just going i'm just going to the different chaplains in the different in the different prisons and i'm looking through the books i'm looking through all of their books and it's just like they said everybody is european jesus moses maybe you'll find a black devil here and there but everybody else i started ordering books from different places they're bringing box and boxes donations of books and everything is the same thing why is it a certain narrative why are the angels why are the holy people of prophets everybody in their europeans and then we started looking at maps and the land and genesis 10 and all of that stuff just started bringing out some problems even though the five percenters may misquote a lot of scriptures when it came down to genesis 10 and the land and the maps and certain things that they were saying bringing up the supreme wisdom and you know the five percent lessons elijah muhammad wd fought a lot of the stuff that they were saying was i really had to take a look at you know and guys locked in and they go yo come on and answer our question and then you know i got the whole floor they hollering on the tail officers telling us to be quiet and they going in they want me to talk then they and they got some hard questions and i started looking at some things and i'm like man then if christians came up in here and heard some of this they would be in trouble they would be in trouble for real so i came home kind of with that attitude and i would talk to believers and stuff like that but at the same time i would i would i would do like them guys did me i would challenge some of them i meant good in my heart i didn't want to offend them but a lot of people got upset a lot of people started saying things like color don't matter you went in there your mind got messed up and you know they would say things like that cause some of us a lot of us christians get so spiritual we act like color doesn't matter but these people made it a color thing and that's a problem and if you can't see beyond that you can't see on the the bible says i would not have you ignorant of the enemy's devices satan is used some things and racism one of the things scientific racism we got some things that he's done and and we can't get around it and in order to be be a knowledgeable believer today you're going to have to articulate why you're still a believer even though a b c and d have been done and christianity has a criminal record people say well you can't be a minister talking about christianity got a criminal record so when i came home i was in the street i was back and forth with like i said i was back and forth for the israelites but i'll be downtown j street i'll be witnessing on the train doing my thing cause you know i'm home i'm home i'm on parole i can't do but so much so i'm in the street and i'm witnessing this and that and i ran into some ministers and i was in the coaching i was preaching the culture in church god of christ and broken the two or three churches i ran into some people over there as time went on my sister um and and my sister my family was like listen we need to open up a ministry they got a club somebody got killed in the club down the block and they shut it down and it's been abandoned for a minute the club been abandoned we need to go speak to the landlord we need to speak to the landlord and try to get that building so all of those people when you're downtown brooklyn all of those people you can tell them you've got a spot because a lot of people say where do you teach and i couldn't really talk about the stuff that i talked about in the street i'm doing like i see the israelites doing i can't talk about that stuff in the street around my collegiate people so to me i said make that that makes sense let me go find a spot so i can talk my talk and and that's kind of how we you know i got a building and i end up giving out food and teaching and doing some things in there and that's how you know people often hear that i was a pastor that's how i you know i got a building but um as time went on the landlord started seeing the crowd that was coming and you know he said i'm gonna give you a year free run don't worry don't worry i'll get in there my sister my family we all do construction so i'm in it we flip the building now we get donations people on my mom's job people in the neighborhood that knew me before i went up north we started getting donations we flipped the building out so by the time the landlord came and he saw the building he see the crowd outside plus we're giving out food he's thinking that we got bread and i didn't really get it in writing and and you know after a couple of months he started pressing me for rent i said i really have no rent yet but he's seeing the crowd and he's trying to add up the offering money when to be honest offering 80 120 the rent was eighteen hundred dollars and and that's kind of where the problems came in so i turned around and one of the bishops that i that was coming to rikers island i went to him i went to this church i said i'm home now and i started talking to him and i said listen i got three o'clock in the afternoon on sundays you can have prime time sunday morning come and see the building he's seen the building we got chandelier we flipped it i get construction is what i do flip the building and he was like all right man i'm gonna go back and i'm gonna talk to my elders about it so i'm thinking everything good i go back i tell my family don't worry i got a way to save the building come to find out this bishop go behind my back and go to the a-rap store downstairs and try to get the landlord number the man in the deli called me he said that man that dark-skinned man that you was with he came here he tried to go behind my back and and i'm gonna do you know so at that point i'm done with christianity again now i'm home i'm like oh man i'm done my last hope i thought that i could you know get somebody to help me and split this rent with me and he tried to go behind my back and get me put out the building and tell the landlord yo i'll pay the whole rent i'll pay the back rent or whatever just get him out the building i want the whole building for myself so you know that was that was definitely i was shook i was done so i walked away from the ministry and and i was just i was just i'm like this it is it is what it is years later someone or people started hitting me that new man they were asking me stuff and sending me little stuff online and i seen ray hagen i seen some other stuff and i started just answering questions cause i remember this is that old cyber stuff that those guys in the penitentiary was talking about and that's kind of how i got back into it by answering little things online and i end up doing a video response to that reverend ray hagen and i started answering some things in the conscious community because i see the whole osiris-jesus myth coming up and that's how i kind of got back into it as time went on i um i got a call maybe maybe a few months later it wasn't even a year later i got a couple of thousand followers i got a call from lisa fields jude 3 project and she asked me to come you know she asked me to come on and share now i already got a channel now i got already got a channel jumping i'm not really dealing with no church people behind that thing that happened with me and my building and that whole thing with that bishop and that went down so i said well how did you get how did you get my number i asked lisa feels that she said she said to dr eric mason and i then i went back to my comment section and i said oh this is the guy that was in here commenting before i said all right and she said i'll give you his number i can you know connect you whatever whatever so she connected us and i talked to him i explained to him you know with the building and everything and that's kind of how i met him and i got back and you know i got a channel jump in there and that's how i kind of got involved with the whole apologetic thing and urban apologetics all right now you you mentioned quite a few things there now one of the things i do want to point out that um you mentioned how many books you read while you're up north and for those who don't know what up north means google it um you mentioned how many books you read and i don't think people understand how time flows different in there and how many books you can you know really sit down and read when you don't have a lot of stuff going on i remember i knocked out 32 books in less than three months plus the niv and the nkjv so it's a lot of time you can just sit there reading and a lot of people don't understand that some of the smartest brothers on the planet right now are behind bars because they have so much time just to sit read think talk pray and do nothing else and let's let's get to let me see where i want to go to because you you covered a lot and i don't want to forget that all right let's start here what made you choose the name berean and what made you start teaching in the style that you teach in versus the traditional preacher whooping hollering uh prosperity gospel type of uh preaching i think it's because of them cats of north i could say i could attribute that to the gods with the back and forth and the arm and the questions that dialogue and throwing questions out there and then you know we're used to up north the yard is like the barbershop people sometime will talk people say sometimes like i'm interviewing you i interviewed the brothers from ko ministry sometime i cut people off because that's what we do when i was used to doing that and and and and for some reason seems like the conversation flows better and it's a different it just came about organically let's say it just kind of came about organically and a lot of people don't understand it but others can say well i can tell the way you'll be sharing i can tell you ain't been to no seminary and i'm quick to tell them no i haven't but but i have been around some very heavy brothers some serious praying brothers like we on top of all the books that i would read and everything on the conscious community all the every single book that was out in the conscious community i ordered it and um and and and who became my wife later on she and she was she was sending me a lot of materials she really helped me out a lot and on top of that just read the new testament once a week the new testament once a week i'm just i'm just running through that it's just so much time it's just so much time and i spent a lot of time in prayer contemplation and brothers asking real deep questions and i understand that being around some of them deep brothers in there that by asking questions people can think people will start thinking for themselves you don't even have to really just ram doctrine down their throats if you ask questions you can steer people to uh to you can steer people to certain things and and you can help them think and they appreciate it more when they come up with certain things on their own when they have some time to contemplate i've had some complaints from people they say well sometimes you just throw stuff out there you don't say nothing you gotta preach to the people you gotta give the people the doctrine of the bible no i don't because they have that you know that doesn't work all the time and i have been it's been plenty times that i've shared with people and they've came up with certain things and they've came back a lot of brothers even when i was in there they came back with their wives and their family you know he's a changed man for being in there with you for that year for them 13 months for those nine months and a lot of people came back and you can and you can learn by questions and when i look in red i see jesus did the same thing he would ask disciples questions to open up the floor so when i came home i'm like man i don't know how these brothers doing what they doing why don't you answer something why don't you ask them questions you know shout out to the bishop and them i love them when i'm like why don't y'all open up the floor for some questions or i would put my hand up there like oh here he go with that nonsense but that's a that's a different style i think it's important to do that and the more that i see things changing um i'm thinking that more individuals need to do this more young ministers need to do this and it's so hurtful because i see brothers like i said i see the camps on the corner they had people come up they asking questions they asking some things they want people to engage in dialogue to make them think to show them answers and i don't know something just wrong with some of my brothers and some of my brothers and sisters and up in the church they just don't see it i just see things totally different from that experience so i definitely it was bad but when rich says that all things work together for good i think that i didn't waste my time and then i used it wisely i knew i was going to get out one day and i'm like lord i don't want to come back here anymore just show me they would see me and myself praying and reading and reading that written reading them books and they would be in there laughing at me but i like man i get out of here then i'm done i'm not coming back in the name of the lord and and thankfully and thankfully that's what happened all right and uh before we continue let me give a shout out to a few people continue contending for the faith in the super chat larry bryce and yaz daughter thank you for the super chats and for those of you in the chat room get those thumbs up please all right so now you mentioned meeting eric mason um i'm backtrack a little and i'm gonna come back forward you mentioned being eric mason is that how you got involved with the urban apologists and how did that unfold to where you started i guess going to battle on their behalf and debating the conscious community when um after after i was on lisa's lisa field show or i tell you she gave me his number and i noticed that he was the gentleman that would come in my comment section and he would give a thumbs up he would say some little stuff some little things here and there so when i so when i called him he said man i think we need to meet you know he didn't do like no pentecostal i needed the lord told me to tell you he said you know i think we need to meet and chop it up and just see how things unfold from there so we kept in touch with each other and um you know immediately i told him about my past and having a church and getting hurt with the other pastor coming and trying to take the building i explained everything to him so we started talking on the phone back and forth and i was saying i just you know i'm just a conscious believer out here so he turned around and he said listen he you know you started putting some stuff in my ear he said we woke christians he didn't tell me he was writing a book he said he woke christians so as we were talking more he said he wanted basically he said he wanted to start a movement i was like yeah i understand the movement but you know i i broke it down i said man listen you'll be the face of the movement i'ma come get your feeling out here but i'ma talk that talk so then you know he said i'm down with epiphany church and this and that so all of my earlier videos you would hear me shouting at epiphany church all the epiphany churches and this and that because he said we're in the beginning of starting this woke movement later on he ended up dropping the book so him and an uh a couple of other people you know that were already underneath him in ministry i didn't know the brother mohammed that was in the conscious community but he said i got some young cats just with me too and you wouldn't you know you you know you would like you would like them and they going in and we do a lot of research and this and that and i end up meeting my brother muhammad later on when i went to speak at a conference down there with him and you know muhammad was down with dr malachi york and all of that he steeped in the conscious community and all of that stuff so that's how i kind of met him and then you know the movement started going and other people started coming on as people were as people were coming on he was okay he was looking to form a team he was looking to form a team so you know he would tell me you know hit me about this person and that person and and and that's how the things kind of started getting rolling at that time i had um i was i had to be at least at 5 000 at least a 5 000 on subscribers online so out of everybody that was doing it i was kind of the most popular person ever you know i was really dealing with people in the conscious community but on the church side more and more believers kate started coming and listening to me and you know and and that's kind of had a whole work movement that's how kind of how the whole movement got started really right there and then then of course you know things end up going sideways muhammad um muhammad invited pastor i spoke one year the next year i didn't speak at the conference you know me and the finances and stuff were getting rough but when i but when he went to the conference he said listen we're going to start a whole movement we're going to be traveling all around the country and you know i want to do this i want to do it i want to meet some other pastors i know a lot of pastors out there i want to get some funds so we can take an apologetic movement out here and be training and equipping people and you know after a year after a good bit of time went by i told him i said man i got to i got to go back to work my wife's beefing my money my bread is looking funny and this and that i tried to do some you know some sunday seminary i started doing some classes and this was the early stages muhammad end up inviting some messianic brothers pastor kelly and pastor major at this time i'm back and forth with all type of people on youtube and when they were invited down there um things just didn't go the way they planned things didn't go the way they planned and and i spoke to him about it and just said i just didn't like the response but i didn't say anything and you know i was like all right you still general bishop you know whatever i just i just kept writing but i just felt something on the inside because i was like you should have chopped it up with those brothers they're out here they're talking about the same thing the bible is all booking you know so i didn't see i didn't know what was the problem and and and a few months later pastor pastor may just hit me and pastor major said well yeah well you know i'm going to sit down i'm going to sit down with mason you know we're just going to state our position and this and that but he don't know i already talked to mixed months ago and man i'm like man listen and i and that kind of hurt me so i broke that i told him i said listen dang they ain't trying to talk to you you know they ain't trying to talk to you abc and dean i kind of gave him summer you know i kind of shared with him the sediments from that side and you know how the bishop felt or whatever when i said bishop i'm talking about eric mason how he felt or whatever and then he was like you know i guess he still had kind of had his kind of you know figure that they can go down here and sit down and chop it up and everything is good i you know my heart went out i was like yo these brothers they they registered to the conference they came out there i don't know what i was thinking whatever i was thinking that wasn't it a couple of months later um it was christmas time now i think this conference is not told but it was christmas time and you know some people throwing some stuff at him about the christmas tree and they already know i'm going in about the christmas tree and they throw some stuff at him he want to pull something from a european apologist hey can a grass um he posted something about hank canograph saying that the christmas tree wasn't paid and that of that and then i already felt the way about pastor kelly and and and and pastor majors you know be dewayed he was treated at the conference i already felt some type of way so by the time he dropped that that bomb little statement out there about hank hannah grabbing the christmas tree a pagan i'm thinking he blowing shots at me that's all that's all i needed and i just i don't know i just and that was the beginning of the end right there really all right now you you mentioned oh my goodness you got so much stuff you just went over all right so let me let me uh backtrack a little bit what all right let me let me go back here bulk church you said that you mentioned the book now i find it odd that vocab malone actually mentions woke church a lot and one of the purposes that what church says is that it's supposed to address racism and you know stuff going on in the black community and then we have this non-black guy who comes and he's using woke church as a cover to attack black people is that being was that the intent when you talk to mason behind his book woke church was it to target israelites specifically or did he have not did he not have a goal and israelites just kind of became the focus at some point i don't think he i don't think he really because he didn't really speak about israel that much but at that the conference that i went to when i spoke um they had different conference rooms they had the main conference where we'd have service and they would break off and they would have different groups the two largest groups were the group that was next door that was on the hebrew israelites and my group i spoke in the next largest conference room we both had the largest conference rooms myself and vocab and he um and he spoke and he spoke on the israelites and i guess he saw that that was a big thing a lot of people were talking about it and and that's how and that's how the whole thing kind of went down and we had the two largest groups and and people kind of saw that there was definitely something needed there but that that that conference in general was an apologetic conference but it just so happened that when you deal with the conscious community and you know the five percent start netting them on committees and you're dealing with the israelites those are the two biggest threats against the church so it just happened to be like those were the two biggest classrooms with um that we were holding lectures that day all right now you you mentioned pastor kelly and pastor majors coming down there and you didn't like the response so i remember you doing a series of videos around that time where you were kind of hitting it stuff but you didn't come out and say it exactly in one video but what was it that bothered you about that whole scenario that kind of made you start leaning away from them and also what made you drop the title uh urban apologies because oh man that's a oh that's a whole different thing right there because i didn't like the way that i didn't i thought that he would sit there and i know he was busy and i found that stuff with his wife he was going through some stuff also and i know the conference he was busy but i thought they would get a better reception they said they laughed they took some pictures they laughed and joked but i thought that they would get into some to some doctrine to let the brothers present you know this is what we feel but it seemed like mines were kind of already made up like yo these dudes are coming they trying to play both sides they'll be riding over there with the camps and they'll come over here and try to you know basically steal steel members steal sheep and i know it's pastors jobs to protect the doctrine to protect certain things but my thing is like this if brothers are saying that yeshua is the savior what's the beef i i'm a little confused what's the beef but it's different cause i'm used to talking to guys in the yard i'm used to talking to guys in the street we have so much in common i don't i don't see i don't understand what the problem is and the male fact i was a little bit upset really to me a fact that weeks or months later that pastor major still holding on thinking that you know he don't know this guy didn't chug him off this dude ain't thinking about him and you know and and he kind of put the word out everybody in the movement and they gonna listen when it's stand down you know if you know and he may try to act like he wasn't quarterbacking the thing he threw the thing together the movement is his thing so when people start acting like stop acting you know they saying a b c and d what you gonna do about this anytime something jump off i'm calling him what you gonna do about this he'll hit me yo i see you throw up a video you know blase blase and then your bishop what you want me to do you want me to take the video down like yeah do me a favor take that video down all right it ain't no big thing but like i said destroy broke the camera back even after the major thing was that was that christmas tree you trying to act like that tree ain't even biblical and i know you know theologically according to jeremiah seminary and all that you can't really connect jeremiah 10 with the tree but the tree is not part of the primitive church what's the beast but i understand we were fighting two different battles you know we on two we on two different we on two different on battlefronts it seemed like and he caught me earlier even right after i did the lisa fields thing before he even asked me to speak at the conference and he said yo they telling me the other people hit me telling you got a hebrew israelite lien i said no what you mean i don't got no hebrews for like lame i don't have no you know i don't have no hebrew israel like me what you mean by that he's like all right all right no problem and a couple of months later i end up getting from his assistant and them i end up getting the you know the invite to come out the what books you're going to use and this and that you got to upload your slides and all the instructions and you know paperwork for me to sign or whatever and and and then probably like i said a problem end up coming in after that later on the reason i kind of walk away from the urban apologetic thing is because i i seen some lumping together they stopped it after a while but i seen where some people would do certain things and would be more beneficial to lump my messianic people together with the camps with races with certain things and at the same time and shout out to vocab i don't got no beef but i've seen after major told misa i mean um after pastor or mace told me some things you know some stuff came out with vocab and another and another brother's ex-israelite and i was like vocab don't play with the culture i just like you know i ain't no disrespect just listen don't play with the culture ain't nobody else say nothing but some of them folks somebody focused on throwing shade and doing what they want and i started noticing some stuff with vocab and james white and all of that and i just didn't like that so i'm gonna i'm gonna speak my mind you know what i'm saying that's how i'm gonna keep it 100. i'm not going to whisper behind your back i'm almost i'm going to speak my mind i didn't like that abc indeed he hit me he ain't like that have i'm not dealing with this and that but in the meantime vocab is bringing this israelite thing to to to the forefront of european christianity in america so he start realizing vocab is important because he doing what he doing and you know and regular middle class america's beginning to see and understand that and i'm like listen i i just i just didn't see i just didn't feel you know the thing was going in the right direction as far as how they were treating different people i don't think they were breaking it down enough a lot of people didn't want to dialogue on who are these israelites and who are those israelites and i've been in the office with him i said listen it's a b c and d with these people right here he said well it's not really your job that's their job to defend to talk about what they believe i would rather them come on and everybody come on who is the son eternal taiyo i asked you brother tell you when them pastor camera asked everybody you know to show that the sun is unique that you know everything that they were saying i would bring people on and they would say the opposite people started getting in his ear and telling him listen this dude blase blase so he had me on there one day and it was like this dude got a big platform and he tried to pick up the israelites and that wasn't what the movement was doing so i was like man i'd rather just walk away from the movement i don't care about calling myself no urban apologies i think about truth i'm not banging for evangelicals banging for no these people and that people i just want the truth to be out here and there's a lot of truth that those brothers are talking about and we are basically the same with those brothers it's just who's the people and that's the only thing i don't think that's enough to demonize the people to say those people are not saved later on he came back on the phone after some stuff happened with myself and sister e and some other people that call themselves urban apologists too he said well i'm not saying that they're not saved but by then the rift was too it was already too deep between us now i think it's interesting that someone who wrote a book like woke church is now using that same platform to oppress part of the black community when the whole book was meant to be the opposite do you believe this is about money or is that do they really really have a concern for black people's souls for believing that we're israel no i think i think he's not he's not really there's some conversations that we had about israel and some preachers always say is shout out to the preachers preachers the preachers got it rough there's a freedom i got that they don't have there's certain things that they'll say in the office and about their family and hearing this israel buzz years ago when they were younger growing up but they would just never come out and say it i don't you know i'm not really depending on the church to carry me especially now that i'm working i had some beef financially before when he was telling me chill we're gonna start a movement we're gonna start a movement listen i tried to wait for years and i had some people sunday seminary i saw people holding me down i had to end up just doing regular work i'm like listen um first of all i'm gonna speak my mind i think it's it's different because he's moving with he moving where he's moving with some european people there's some good christian europeans out here they're part of the movement and they want to you know they want to help and they want to help in the urban area they want to help churches they want to help pastors after the conference myself him and pastor jerome gabe we were upstairs and uh or we was just not in a bar talking upstairs in the hotel and he said you know he was asking me about my education and he was like listen we got a movement we got some people and they got and they got some bread we can you know we can get you a seminary and then i'll talk to you 18 months whatever talk to you interview you your wife or whatever they'll get you a building and they'll you know they'll carry the building to the ministry growing stuff and i don't know it's just it's some people it's some you got to be careful i'm reckless when i get out here and i talk i'm reckless i'm just different with it you know and and other people can't be reckless like that they got mortgages they got they got other people that they mingle with i don't really mingle with a lot of europeans so i'm quick i'm quick to say some other things that might be offensive to some other people whereas he's kind of walking a thin line he's doing he's doing what he could do he's you know he's he's getting out there but i you know my whole thing was like we can't get out here and start talking about the vibrate the white man's book and and jesus wasn't white and leave it at that we got to get we got to get into the conversation and if we're going to get in the conversation we got to get really get into it and automatically we're going to bump heads discussing israel who's a darker human the bible and whitewashing we got to go deeper with it you know they wanted to just touch a few things and just figure everything is okay and we can ride out with that but it's way deeper than that and the conversations were all online it was getting out of control so you can't get out here and just drop a video when you want and say this when you want to say you know this book coming out that's coming out man listen we got to be 24 7 putting in this work and discussing stuff people got questions people got questions period and i don't think they wanted to really take it that far listen we're not dealing with them we're not dealing with none of that and that's what it is and when he said it he put it out there and everybody else everybody else that's up underneath that umbrella everybody else is riding that bandwagon they gonna you know he say fall back from that in this conversation blind say they gonna do that and whoever's gonna bang and you know there's a couple of loose people and i called him and i spot i'm gonna say their name online i caught them i spoke to him he said well i'm not the leader of everybody i'm not the leader or that me trying to act like he was a quarterback in the whole movement you quarterback in the movement and everybody know don't speak on them dudes no israelites getting new light and i'm and i'm ignorant doing what i want to do so they had to so they had to eventually throw me up underneath the bus i had some financial problems and they end up and then he end up trying to trying to act like he was backpedaling but i already said i wasn't part of the movement anymore you know i didn't want to identify with being you know being woke and all of that stuff i just didn't want to identify with it anymore now that's interesting because you mentioned uh muhammad tanza moore yourself included um i know some other people that have backed away from their movement specifically and some have started backing away from the church do you think the church is equipped to handle this awakening that's happening in the black community and where do you see the church in five years uh from now if they don't get a handle on this and start answering some questions with truth oh people automatically believe what's going to say the churches the church is triumphant and the church the gates of hell shall never listen to church got some explaining to do the church got to call a spade a spade the churches there's some something for these had so many educated so many educated past so many pastors so many ministers sitting on top of each other with m dibs and seminary training but they just scared to say they won't see like i would get out here and say ignorant stuff like white folk have lied that don't mean all white people are wicked i'm gonna say white people have lied and we need to discuss these lies some younger people want to discuss these lies we have to bring out where this thing went wrong in order to make the thing right and a lot of people don't want to get into some real serious deep conversation they don't want to do it it's easier for me to talk on a video and attempt to control the narrative as opposed to bring it past the majors on and why do you feel a b c and d and the reason i talked about pastor major and pastor kelly specifically because they were talking i spoke to them specifically and they said how they grandparents how their parents were involved in this thing and like they just ran into dudes on the corner and just and just all of a sudden wanted to rock some fringes they come from a family at it so it's totally you know it's totally different but they didn't want to they don't really want to have the whole dialogue and even when i went to speak as i was going around and speaking i'm meeting people in the church because they see how i am people in church are coming up to me yo i'm really looking into this what i want to get more information i really believe we i'm like why would christians in church go to church on sunday come and tell me that they scared themselves because i know they ain't getting ready to pull up by the church so i'm keeping those shabbat and all of that stuff and go join a messianic congregation but they'll come and they'll just say what they're thinking and i think sometimes some of these pastors they're not even in touch with what's going on in the pew and what's coming across timeline so if they think they can drop a few videos and control the narrative they don't know it's a it's a it's a new day it's a new day but let them let them keep sleeping let them keep sleeping you know it's it is what it is they think um back in the days we used to be able to do that in the church if we don't discuss it nobody gonna talk i'm the bishop if i ain't saying nothing rest y'all don't talk y'all go homie y'all whisper hand there but y'all know don't bring it around here it's a different day it's coming up on people timelines it's it's just it's just it's just something different it's just something different now it's interesting and i i agree with you that there's a lot changing because i used to be heavily involved in the christian church growing up baptist church specifically um now why do you think it is now it was like this in the church i grew up into in second baptist why do you think it is that the black church is so tolerant of the idea of white jews or israelites but when our own people start to say we're jews or israelites they have a problem so um let me ask you this about the black church and the white church same question why do they have a problem with that i don't know that's the thing that got me so shocked that there's so many there's so many europeans even growing up in crown heights in new york city there's more jews outside of israel anywhere else on the planet even growing up around them they all you know i've always heard rabbis i've always heard different people say it's not really about color and and all of this crazy stuff and for some reason the church is like some self-hatred they don't want to hear none of that stuff i used to think it was because of um evils that they would hear from camps and spots like gms talking about raping in the kingdom and things of that nature i used to think it was about that but for some reason they just don't want to tolerate that they don't want they don't want to deal with that whatsoever i can't put a i can't put a finger on it but for some reason this that's something that just it just it turns their stomach they can't see it they don't want to they don't even want to begin to investigate it like it it might have some validity they don't want to do none of that stuff and shout out to the few people that do want to sit down that do want to dialogue i i put myself out there and threw some names up here and thought some people would come and sit down and we can have some talk because i'm willing to put myself on the line say whatever y'all want to say about me i'm going to put myself on the line if some other people would come and sit down and even and just go back and forth and just let's share this information like i said that's what we're used to doing in the yard and it's not one it's not just come on my show one time we gotta constantly go back and forth i'll meet you in the yard tonight we'll be on one we'll be on one question on one scripture for two three weeks going to the yard every single day we gotta constantly hash it out for the other brothers around that's hearing can come to a conclusion others can ask questions we need ongoing dialogue but for some reason they don't want that jesus saved here jesus saves and then you know a lot of other people are stuck in replacement theology but other people you know a lot of us are just listening the rapture gonna come we're gonna be gone whatever gonna happen with israel it's gonna happen down here with them we're not gonna be here don't worry about it and that and that's that that's the prevailing attitude you write about that that is the prevailing attitude and the rapture doctrine is huge within um really the white church the black church and we seen those books uh was it tim jenkins uh tim lahaye and jerry b james very popular all right very popular super popular i actually read all of the books except for the last two i quit at the last two i couldn't do it i couldn't do it anymore they were all like four five six hundred pages long now let's talk about let me see i got a few questions here and i don't even actually wanna you you answer some of these already all right so why don't you think some of these guys in the top positions in the church want to sit down and have a discussion or bring out the information and talk about it what's the big deal if israel was black or is black why is that such a big deal for for people not to know and yet it's just acceptable as as white jews to come in and say hey we're the real people of the book why is that a problem to bring out the real information i think it's going to be a mass exodus one two i think it's gonna be worse if it's if if the leader sit down and talk it's gonna be worse that's how come that's how come you know some people were feeling some type of way when them or dr e was talking in houston i think it was at his man church out there and some young i think young sakauri cats came out in front the building and then he i don't know why he went over there he started talking to them but they like a lot of these young dudes are like black dudes they going for their head they're going for the boy they want to get down to it they want to get down and they want to chop it up a lot of guys a lot a lot i think the main two don't remain two or three people they don't want to talk because some good points are going to come out and make people think and they don't want to get caught up in there because like i said they're not going to admit nothing y'all say the christmas tree ain't bible they they gonna find they're gonna do whatever they they don't want to agree with anything to make people start thinking or even attempting to look in this direction that's where i have a problem because the my thing is like listen you it seems like you got an agenda if you don't want it to open up i understand that some people would some people would start more people would start leaving the church if these people are over here teaching a b c and d i can understand that more people start leaving because there are people out here that's hungry you can't say people just leaving the church course because they're full of the devil because there's a lot of people going to alternate spiritualities they're going to different things so you could you can't say they don't want spirituality they don't want god people just want some things answered and it's amazing to me that these people would run around and out of one out of one side of their mouth they would say well the black man needs to be affirmed we've been through so much we need to start affirming them with the bible so i'm sitting back saying well i ain't got a degree but how else would you affirm them with the bible but to show who in the bible than latin who in the bible could be somebody else i don't know any other way so so you would come it's like you're trying to go down half halfway down the road but don't want to go all the way down the road i don't know if you could be teaching or even just having people contemplate certain things certain things they're not going to say they're not i can tell you right now certain things they're not gonna say they're not gonna start talking crazy about them folk over there in palestine them folk over there in israel they're not gonna speak against christian zionism they're not gonna speak against none of that right there and i personally feel not saying i heard that from any i personally feel because they know their place they know certain things are ministry killers they know certain things you don't do politicians know not to go against israel ministers definitely know their place when it comes to that and you can say what you want black preachers know their place on the totem pole they know that it is what it is especially when you're getting any type of funding any type of support from from europeans that can help you out with ministry because i had a building that's hard getting chairs and it's hard it's hard out here so in that sense i'm not even mad i understand yeah i get it too and i was part of a ministry and it does take a lot of money unfortunately we we were in a position where we didn't have to uh seek any white money to get going um now here's what's interesting to me this entire movement has seemed seems to have shaken up a lot of the church i don't know if you've seen the fred price stuff recently that they've been posting and i've been noticing other little comments uh of course the stuff with celebrities going on and it seems that this movement is all over the world do you think at any point this will become a mainstream conversation that is taken seriously about who the real israelites are i definitely i definitely think so because back in the days even even like when i came home i was i was limited to on some bishop some bishop mckinley and they were they were heavy into history and how cushion how we were connected with israel and how israel were darker you were people some books from bernard jordan the black presence in the bible and that's 28 years ago and fred like i said fred price more and more people are discussing it in light of this that's why the church got me because in light of this racism and everything that's going on in this country right now we're at a unique place in the world we have more white people fighting for the for for fair rights for equal rights for better treatment for blacks on this planet than we have ever had so it amazes me that the church can't see it's a major shift some people that's attempting to talk the slave masters these european evangelicals are saying that social justice that's not the gospel leave that alone so a few of them are fighting here and then i and i got to give it to dr ian some of them for trying to put in that work because we get major major backlash from european evangelicals and they're strong they're showing their true colors right now but like like always we're gonna still we you know we're not we don't want to buck against them too much a lot of dudes still see these people as master they treated us a certain way that's why we got the ame church we stayed having to pull away from these people and nobody everybody's talking about god as a just god god is a fear god judgment day is coming and they can't see that things are turning on the entire planet they can't see it's a shift it's a new season and they don't even understand that and the thing that got me is unsafe other people understand that and they're saying the time enough is enough it's time for a change and a lot of people i'm not saying everybody because i don't want to lump them all together but it's a lot of individuals in the church that can't see it and these are supposed to be the black leaders yeah and and that's definitely to me that's definitely a problem every a lot of the stuff you said is definitely a problem and i would love to be able to sit down with some of these guys we know that's not going to happen now let me ask you let me ask you this with all the information that you know and you run across why do you still identify as a cushite oh that's a good question i i think i need let me let me let me be careful how to answer that it's too real i think that's a two-fold answer i wanna i wanna lay more into some things and i think even if i were i gotta be careful with that i i think even if i it would be more it would be more damning to some individual so i can throw that out there too i want to i want to lay into some more information and i think sometime i deliberately don't or don't go a little deeper with studies on a specific subject let's just put it that way there's certain things there's certain things that's up in the air i'm looking at a lot i have never been really at all one to follow the crowd i would have to be fully persuaded and look at some things i definitely i can say definitely i don't believe everybody over there in israel is is is jesus people let's just put it that way i i definitely don't believe that and i definitely believe there was some a bunch of white washing and a bunch of lying going on even when it goes back to you know cameron and the egyptians and why they wanted to pull egypt out of africa i don't want to believe that people are going this far and have lied this much and i think that it it it's kind of confusing because i do believe so much damage have been done with the slave trade and so many different groups of people coming over here i'm not saying it's not it's impossible but i'm not sure who's who and i don't think i have enough of the information with the amount of individuals coming over here and how things were so mixed up to say for sure i'd have to be absolutely sure but i could i have to be honest i haven't i haven't laid into it that like even even with the dna i've never i've never done anything like that to 23 in me i've just i've just never done it now i haven't done it either and i plan to because my mom actually did it and what interested me is some of the stuff i saw on her dna report and it came back that she had 100 less european uh neanderthal dna than all other 23andme applicants and i thought that was something weird on the uh on the results and i showed teo i showed tale ministries um so i'm thinking about taking mine and sending my dad one to take his and getting the whole thing done now virtuous truth said come on brian we know you know you're a moderate now i'm not gonna force you to answer that question if you don't want to but what let's talk about that term moderate now i had brother dana stevens uh for those of you who caught the interview last week has had over 10 000 views so far and get those uh thumbs up for those in the chat room now last week when i interviewed brother dana stevens he said that he had never been called a moderate and hadn't heard the term moderate used towards him in any way shape or form and i'm also starting to find that that is a term that is specifically created for black people that believe in a black israel yes yes do you think that they did that intentionally to separate black believers from all other believers or was that something that just sort of happened i i think i think it's a little bit of both i think it's a little bit of both for some reason the most or the the ones that they fear the most are the moderates or who we would call messianic believers that believe that jesus yeshua is the christ and and i understand doctrinally why they could be a little bit nervous i was listening to pastor kelly and pastor orm johnson on sister e's show last night with with elder mike holloway and talking about the sabbath there's a lot of stuff that being that acts when we start dealing with the sabbath when we start dealing with the lord when we start dealing with certain things christians got some pride we got some and i'm and i'm a christian as a pentecostal tongue-talking christian we got some problems with the shabbat we got some problems with the church fathers we got some problems with traditions and things we see from the apostles because they were israelites we can't deny so all that whole clique all of them were what we would call moderates or all of them are what we would call messianics and as time went on we can you know we can it's a heavy argument to argue the sabbath and argue certain things and i think a lot of a lot of people know that i don't know the shift because we've always had seven day adventists that was around us and we've never had that problem and i've never in my whole life in the church seen things come up like how the sabbath is coming up and how certain things are coming up which comes with the custom of being israel and how and and i'm just kind of shocked how the church is so so against it when so much stuff is bible even those these people would come and say this has nothing to do with salvation the fringe is the diet has nothing to do with salvation it just it just kind of shocks me how people would still hold on to things that come from in the interiors of europe and they would rather just hold on to that and say well we're american this is part of american culture and they would rather hold on to this or this is kingdom culture they would rather hold on to this and fight so hard against something else when so much of that stuff can be proven biblically not saying because i go to church sometime i'm in church every single day sometimes i'm going three months i ain't stepping inside the church it just it just depends right now i happen to be in church on a regular i work for a church right now but um i think that that's a problem and i think one one of the reasons that those that we would call messianics because they are so close to biblical primitive believers that it's a problem a lot of a lot of christians a lot of pastors know that they're not following the primitive way they're saying a primitive weight means nothing saying the primitive way means nothing but it does mean something and there's a lot of people that want to get back to it so we have penny people just walking away just because of the tithe line just because of the line with the times just cause of the christmas tree just because of the easter egg just because they know so many pastors are masons and and departed divine ninety fraternities and stuff people are just walking away and they want something closer they want something closer to that which is primitive and and a lot of people want to be locked they want to step away from european culture we've been dealing with that culture and that's been a culture of supremacy and and and we want to just go back to some roots and people are seeking that right now and that's one of the reasons that they don't want to sit down and talk i personally believe no one said this to me but i personally believe that that's one of the main reasons they don't want to sit down and talk because it's what some people practice is closer to the book of acts it's closer to the time of my messiah than what we got going on right now some of what i would call a zoo it's just it's a zoo they say that i um one of the comments that came into him from some other pastors like i'm talking and when i talk i talk about crazy pentecostals as the zoo not all pentecostal charismatics but some pentecostals ask the zoo and there's some good regular reformed churches out here that's not that's not just running the monk and just acting crazy and and i do bear witness there are some good churches out here i don't want to lump them all together so some people feel that because i've been involved in charismatic circles and i've seen so much nonsense that i always speak to the nonsense but i tell the other pastors if i'm not talking about you if it don't fly let it if it don't apply let it fly don't worry about it you know but for some reason they're upset any way they slice the cake this could be god and if this is god this is what i'm telling them if it is god you're wasting your time fighting against it oh then god ain't gonna drag us back into the law i know i know i know i know but everybody's not trying to get salvation from the lord's sabbath or diet period and that's kind of the problem and if they're going to get anybody on anything or they're going to do it with galatians they're going to do it with the bible i talk to a lot of pastors a lot of ministers and when we start talking about do you know the slave trade and we start talking about on primary sources dealing with history and historical facts and stuff like that a lot of them don't want to spend time and they don't want to spend time with that they don't want to they they want to just turn the blind eye to it could these people be wrong and i and i'm starting to say to even the apologists and certain christian communities people in christian community if y'all are going to like just like sign another just like the conscious community if they had information if the lights are netted if all of them said earlier and had information to expose and tear down the bible and the whole belief system they would have done it long time ago if y'all got information to tear them down don't play no games don't wait to drop no books get out here and blow with them and blow shots and blow the information for some reason they're not doing it either one they don't have it too then they're not steeped in history and they don't have time looking into it or three they know something and they don't and they don't want nobody to start looking into what they found out now it's interesting you missed you mentioned the church not wanting to to follow the law and god has freed us from the law and yet christ said that loving your neighbor is yourself is fulfillment of the law and to me that would seem self-explanatory because i don't know what other law christ would be talking about um and then we see that the church is moving they don't want to keep the sabbath they don't want to follow the law as you mentioned they bring in the bunnies they bring in the trees and then they tell us not to put culture over christ do you think they have at some point put european culture over christ versus the culture in the bible definitely and they're so steeped in the european culture that oversees the problem because they're so used to it and this is just it just it is what it is and and they and you know anything and the thing that hurts me is that they would that they would fight against it that they would fight if they if they know the christmas tree if they know the bunny and they say those are small things those are petty things but you can say what you want using that tree using that bunny using valentine's day using their tithes inappropriately israelites have brought that out camps on the corner all across america iuic is upk they brought all these things out and and and and this is allowed some people to walk away this is called some people who walk away this has caused some people to question the bible and question christianity and for some reason they don't even want to ban it abandon it a few years back eric mason did say i think last year or whatever he just posted in facebook he said well if you are doing on urban ministry or ministry in an urban context maybe y'all should fall back from having a treat you're gonna finally say that now because it's a problem right now it's been a problem and you should tell everybody everybody that care about these brothers walking away from the church abandon them trees abandon them eggs abandon that stuff and and pick up something else or don't do do do what they did in the beginning for some reason they don't want to do that they're fighting against it they're fighting against it and it seems like they don't care to me personally it seems like a lot of them don't care because if you know it's not the bible and you keep doing it you just don't give up you just don't care and it is what it is now with that said and i agree with you they just don't care at some point you don't care do you think that their salvation could possibly be in jeopardy if they don't let go of the pagan elements that have been introduced or does god not care about that anymore they're saying that yeah god doesn't care about that that's what they're saying they're saying listen you know you you know you go you know you're wilding out with that tree you know none of us bowed down in front of a tree and that's absolutely true i never seen a christian bow down in front of a tree my problem is the mere fact that brothers are leaving the church and brothers are going over there to isupk and people are walking away from the faith that should be enough for y'all abandon it right there they don't want to do it they say you're making a big thing and for some reason i'm thinking more and more churches would just do it on the strength if it offends the brother stop collecting the ties teach on the cards what is the time we'll ride out that time to the end over the time existed and i know all the answers the tithe was around before moses and the law was around then we go to abraham and but we're going to do whatever we're going to do so we want to pick some things up and we want to explain things some way the bible does say to give and it's okay to give we don't have a problem with that but but we have to be forced to give explanations because the so-called wicked people are out there teaching it so now we have to come and as if you come there's a culture in church that you can't ask any questions all of that has to come down all of that has to come down and and i think all of this can't be the devil i don't think the devil is this powerful i'm thinking that yeah i'm thinking at the hand of god can be behind shaking up the church i'm thinking it's covered i'm thinking this whole thing going down in some crazy type of way i'm thinking god has allowed for these churches to close up now this way they got a problem with me but i'm thinking that god has allowed for some of these churches to close up to get people to to get people to thinking to get people to focus back on him and stop getting caught up in the quote-unquote church culture church culture the coast of church is a problem and once again i'm not saying every single church some people know to keep their marriages don't put your pastor above your heart some people know that but at the same time there's there's some things that i it's been going on too long it's been going on too long and i think this could be the hand of god and the more that i'm looking around and the more that i'm looking at people's reactions to certain things the more i'm thinking this is god and this is a religious spirit that's at work a lot of this ain't relationship with yeah a lot of this is religion and religion and religion that had our people we don't ran amok with this religion now you just said something you talk about a move of god and it just so happens that that 400 year prophecy um is at its end and we saw in january how all this stuff started do you think it's a coincidence that the 400-year prophecy is coinciding with covet the shutdowns all the disasters around the world and i'm gonna have one more question for you after this and then we're gonna wrap it up we got definitely got to do another one after this because people got a lot of questions so do you think it's a coincidence that all this is happening right now i uh yeah my church friends think it's a coincidence but i'm looking i'm saying man something is going on something is going on and and like i said i don't think it's the devil i don't know if it's directly connected with the 400 years i think we have to um i said i was going to do a program on prophecy and looking at some things because all my friends are concerned about is at least a lot of people i know all they're concerned about is um israel 1948 israel become a nation daniel all of this other stuff so i said i might have to do a series on different prophecy and prophecy being fulfilled in the bible i had elder mike callaway on him in on well sister e i think she was on here just to ian um and pastor and pastor major was it no it was a pastor major that was on here and we were talking just two days ago something like that i'm talking so many people just two days ago and we were discussing that and and a lot of people don't see it that way but there's something going on there's something going on let me see oh i'm sorry i thought i see yeah i agree it's something definitely going on to me i don't believe in big coincidences such as all the stuff that's going on around here now we definitely have to do another one because i want to get into the deep state and illuminati and the freemasons and man we got a lot to talk about so let me ask you this last question for tonight uh for those of you who have not put the thumbs up yet please do so if you haven't subscribed please do so if you could go back 20 years into the past what three things would you tell or warn yourself about the modern christian church right now keep an eye on the church i don't trust women when it comes to when it comes to the church and and i don't even mean to say this in a bad way focus on god i think a lot of the turmoil a lot of the stuff that i per and i'm talking personally that i've personally gone through is growing up in church and honoring the pastor honoring the bishop a lot of times people have people are running these churches people have these churches and they have another agenda that's separate from god a lot of times god will be speaking to you outside of what the religious order is saying and i think if i would have i think i would have been in a better place if i would have focused more on god and just like automatically i'm locking in the bishop i'm locking in church with this is god you can be in the church and you can be part of another agenda that the most high didn't order or he didn't call for make sure you're always hearing god even in church stuff make sure god is in it and it is god and it's just not religion it's just not because politics are locked up with a religion or this is just not man's agenda all right now what i'll leave y'all with that okay perfect now how do you uh okay you don't leave them with that i was gonna ask if you i wanted to um say something else so go ahead and tell us how everybody gets in touch with you and give them all your contact info oh you can get in touch with me at bereanteach gmail.com that's marineteach gmail.com and i'm brother berean on facebook um i appreciate everybody you know i appreciate all the support even even after everything jumped off with me and the whole world movement and dr e i can't lie my i'm messianic people so what they were called quote unquote my moderates they held me down give me encouraging words prayer support like man we riding with you we riding with you don't worry the most high with you we praying for you and i appreciate all the prayers and the support of course the church don't think y'all prayers mean nothing because y'all want to keep the shabbat so y'all prayers don't mean nothing like some good old sunday keepers but i felt the prayers and and god has definitely turned some things around um i want to say i appreciate you know pastor majors and other people sister e i love her my home girl she's the one even after leaving the bishop office and talking huh i said i gotta fall back i gotta blow shots at y'all you know just listen to her voice she said i understand you got a family you gotta do what you got to do oh that just broke me down in the cab i just i just went back to the airbnb and i just turned that camera on and wifed out you know um i think a lot of stuff happened just meeting her and and you know fox that shift and just getting me back lined up listen this this just a woman of god right here she got to be on the channel with you people got to see that people got to see a good sign to this israel thing and i'm like god just give me some wisdom and how to play this thing out this is you know messing with these church folk this this is chess this this is checkers this ain't checkers this is chess and it's just and it's just crazy and i think it was a good thing having her on and different people saying listen we got some believers we got some believers out here that love the lord that ain't out here living all type of way just talking all type of way and i think that's a good look and i think that was important having her on and i think and i've been just blessed by meeting her and just just chopping it up with pastor majors and other and other people that i believe are definitely part of the body of christ i definitely believe y'all are doing something with them and i believe that they're the next level of believers you know i ain't saying everybody got to go claiming israel but i don't want the church trying to act like everybody on the corner threaten violence and raping people because that's not what it is and they starting to slowly seek i think and with everything i often say on the channel it's a lot of bootleg it's a lot of boot layout here and i think even with someone's with some with certain groups that's out here on the corners and talking all their race field stuff and talking some of their hate i think that's the bootleg to the real thing but the real thing is here and i thank god for that that the real thing is here all right y'all i gotta go to work in the morning all right thank you brother maria for stopping i appreciate it y'all i appreciate it watch out for the bootlegs uh make sure you hit them thumbs up make sure you tune in next time and again brother brian we got a link up so we could do another one of these everybody thank you all for coming out and god bless y'all with that said i'm out