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Dr. Greer's Insights on UFO Disclosure

all right here we go today we have Dr Steph Greer in a followup to his explosive interview that he did on Vlad TV a few months ago welcome back thank you good to be with you well your last interview did did huge numbers and caused a lot of controversy in the Vlad TV community and what was interesting is that the timing of it came out right when the Congress UFO meeting happened in July So based on what you saw in that Congressional meeting what did you think overall well it it wasn't really a proper hearing because they haven't been authorized to get subpoena power but it was just you know that committee the oversight Committee in the house putting their toes in the water uh now remember they had two pilots who were there who who one of whom I've debriefed uh Mr fraver uh and then uh a person that I provided information to uh when he was undercover uh named Mr grush and uh but Mr grush was is not a principal uh firsthand witness he was recounting information from uh people such as the we have 755 firsthand Witnesses and whistleblowers in the disclosure project um community so that's what that was it was a very initial process there may be another one but in terms of getting to the bottom of this you're going to have to have um hearings that have subpoena power which unfortunately very recently I think in the last two weeks the speaker of the house or I guess former speaker of the house shot down uh the request that uh con six Congress people ask for subpoena authorization which has to be approved by the speaker so and the reason that's important if you don't have subpoena power the most high value whistleblowers on all this aren't going to come step forward they're going to have to be compelled through a legal subpoena so that's one thing just to keep in mind so it was a very initial and of course I've been meeting with some number of the people in that committee were people I've been briefing and they were you know had asked me to what questions to ask but I think that the you know the bigger issue is to get to the bottom of something this complex is going to take a much more thorough and and long-term investigation by the US government um remember there are two governments there's the government of that you all know about from your civics lesson and there's a illegal secret government operating and this is why people like the chairs and co-chairs of the Senate intelligence and armed services committee um keep asking for information because they don't have it so the process we're in now is providing through a classified project those the information and the uh whistleblowers that they want to hear from but in terms of a public hearing or something that would actually be more on the record and not in a classified what's called skiff a secure compartment information facility uh that's still to be determined that's still something we're working on to get set up okay so give me an example of a subpoena that you would like to see that didn't happen last time well there are specific people uh that should be subpoena for example uh in our disclosure project whistleblower community over 750 people uh one good example is a man who for 10 years worked in a a very secret office in the Pentagon dealing with this issue uh and this was in the early 2000s and he was read into or briefed on 18 of these very sensitive projects including having gone to a facility out in uh near Fort S laon Oklahoma where there was an extraterrestrial vehicle that was had been obtained downed and that they were studying uh and uh another facility outside Soul South Korea uh that's has a very large uh extraterrestrial vehicle that's in storage and uh a lot of the technologies that were being studied he knows where these uh bases are he knows the compartmented code names all of that but this is someone who has been so intimidated in terms of coming forward that he's going to have to be compelled through a subpoena and be protected under Federal Marshall witness protection so we have dozens and dozens of people like that and in order for them actually to get what they're asking for if you hear the members of the Senate and Congress talk about what they're wanting to SK which are information on the actual craft uh the bodies of extraterrestrial beings that we have the technologies that have been reverse engineered meaning we've studied these crafts since the 40s and now we have man-made craft that go up and around by the way most of the UFO UAP sightings people have are not uh extraterrestrial they're mostly ours but people don't know it um for example so all of that we know where these are I have a a map Blacklist site of black sites it has 147 uh black sites on them now and we're handing that over to the Congress and to the White House we know where they are because we have people who worked in the facilities who have given us information and some cases documents about what's going on there what's stored there what research and development is happening at specific locations so all of this is to say that there's an enormous amount of data and information we have but you need a mechanism legally to bring it out because number one as Mr grush rightly pointed out people have been killed uh try getting trying to get this information out and then number two uh these these people are very afraid for the consequences of of doing it without some type of subpoena where they're compelled to in other words where okay they don't have a choice now the disclosure project has about 70 uh top secret guys who've already come forward if you go to my YouTube channel you'll see their testimony and it's everything people were wondering you know where are these people where they're on my YouTube channel but those are people who are not currently in the system or have were not in a a very longterm uh situation except for a couple of them we have one witness who's recently passed away who was on a retrieval team where he handled the Extraterrestrial bodies or if there were living ones as well uh and that's on our YouTube channel Sergeant uh Stone so we have these but we have many many more and so so for this to actually be done officially under oath is going to require a a mechanism that they haven't yet completed and I don't know if they will I'm a little concerned uh the Senate uh majority leader and others have put together uh a bill that would make all this go to an external panel and the external panel would be a bunch of alleged experts and normally if you look at the history of the subject the Robertson panel of 195 53 the condom Committee of 1969 every time something like that is set up it's actually infiltrated by corrupt interest that want to keep this secret and they come up with a predetermined conclusion which is more the coverup so I don't think that panel is going to cut it I think the only thing that's going to cut it is either we the disclosure project and we're in the process of setting this up initiate a civilian lawsuit under Rico against the these corporations and individuals reran influence corrupt organization and sue them in court and if that gets admitted into federal court so we just had a meeting with my legal team to pursue that in the event that the Congress drops the ball on this okay and you know in this meeting they're referring to these things as UAP unidentified anomalous phenomenon MH which is different than what we grew up hearing which is UFO like why the shift from U UFO to UAP they just make up a a new offis scating fake name periodically so let me tell you how this works this is all psychological warfare you know propaganda there they're not they weren't unidentified flying objects either because they don't fly with any aerodynamic sense of the word we'll talk about how they move there's no aerodynamics to them whatsoever uh as far as an ER uh uh unex explained aerial phenomenon uh there it's not just aerial because they've been tracked underwater and out in space and also they're not a phenomenon ball lightning is a phenomenon these are structured spacecraft Etc but they keep coming up with terms that actually are gaslighting it's sort of like a how words if like people talk about how words can be used to actually uh the verb people from the truth by using cleverly composed words in reality let's just cut to the shase a UAP UFO there are two types uh at least of extraterrestrial vehicles and man-made ones of the two the bigger secret are the ones that my uncle worked for north of Grumman his whole career are the ones that rathon and north of Grumman and locky skunkworks have and those are amazing aircraft that don't have Jets Rockets propellers nuclear power on them they're using energy from What's called the quantum vacuum or zero point which we can talk about we just released a whole film about this called The Lost Century which I'm sure you've seen um it's called the LW centry and how to reclaim it but those aircraft have been operational uh since the mid-50s so between 1940s and 1954 October a huge research and develop where was going forward at my uncle's company and others uh based on the retrieval of some early extraterrestrial vehicles and they figured out they cracked the code as it were to uh gravity control electromagnetic gra gravitics uh back in October 1954 now we know this date because a member of my team had been the top scientist at the Naval Research Labs who of course that lab is the largest Department of Defense lab it was started by Thomas Edison and he was in the vault classified Vault where he saw the document stating that so many of these objects people see are in fact ours and they're being used in illegal and clandestine operations and the Very existence of them is not known by the president and the key people in Congress okay so let's talk about this Congressional meeting some of the the takeaways so one of the things uh that David Gru claimed is the government is absolutely in possession of uaps yes he said he's absolutely certain of this oh yes and uh he cites interviews he has conducted with 40 different Witnesses Over a four-year period uh he said that he led defense department uh efforts to analyze reported UAP sightings and was informed of a multi-decade pentagon program that endeavored to collect and reconstruct crash uaps um when uh representative uh moscowitz asked him about this in terms of how it was funded he claims that it it was an effort above congressional oversight and bankroll by misappropriation of funds correct that's how it all MOS was asked him does this mean that there is money in the budget that is set to go to a program uh but it doesn't and it goes to something else he said yes I have specific knowledge of that yep yes I too I mean course now remember a lot of what grush found was in part based on what we had been providing his superiors so I've been working with for example the lead investigators who who managed the black budget and the uh agencies the three-letter agencies for AR armed services and Intel for quite some time and So based on that information he was able to confirm in fact that's true so I think the audience needs to understand there's a legal black budget in other words very few people are read into it in Congress and very few people at the presidential intelligence level would know and those were legal I'm talking about projects like he was referring to that is basically a misappropriation and often embezzlement of funds from the budget that go into unsanctioned and unapproved programs so that's let's call that the illegal black budget and the illegal black budget is the big one because that's how you're building these man-made uaps and uh you know if you look at it you know it's a very simple I'll give people an analogy and bring this down to earth let's say that the the government we the people are being build $2 billion a copy for the B2 stealth bomber in reality it probably costs around 150 million a copy the other 1.8 or so billion goes through the back door onto unsanctioned and unapproved projects and so we have done a very careful analysis of this and there are many departments and agencies in the government that have in fact uh had money uh is frankly embezzled without the knowledge and approval of the Congress or the White House to go into these illegal projects so one of the big problems that the Congress has not quite got its mind around is that all these operations dealing with uaps have been run unconstitutionally and illegally since about 1957 to 1960 okay so let's talk about the next topic that got covered over there and that's a that non-human biologics were filed at a crash site so so basically what gr said that he knows of multiple colleagues who were injured by uaps he also said that he had interviewed individuals who had recovered non-human biologics from crashed uaps uh he refers to the term nonhuman rather than alien or extraterrestrial now when he was asked by representative uh burles uh to substantiate the crash UAP claim uh the former intelligent official said he could not divulge the specific details he said it was too sensitive to share with the public he did however say uh describe the nature of what he saw he said I have to be very careful here but what I personally witnessed myself and my wife was very disturbing uh a pentagon spokesperson uh spoke to NBC about this and he claims that all of Gru's claims are false nope they're not false um all those are substant the only part that he has not gotten correct is that he doesn't understand that there are number of humans that have been injured by uaps but they're not the Extraterrestrial ones so the human ones and this is the big Scandal that's being swept under the cover so um there are people out there who are actively misinforming people like grush who was not read into these projects directly I for example just came back from two black sites out west and these two black sites were where um we have uh illegal electromagnetic pulse weapons that have targeted uh ET craft but also have incidentally if someone flies into that area uh in a private aircraft or killed uh we also are that's a big uh legal case we may be pursuing uh the other big problem is that uh these man-made uaps have been used to Stage false alien injuries and so when you hear about a lot of those that's sort of a uh psychological Warfare program that started uh probably in the late 50s early 60s where they used man-made objects that look like to anyone who's not uh educated on the matter would look like a alien spacecraft to simulate alien events and so uh this is a false flag type operation uh we have a 1953 document from signed by the director of the CIA that talks about and I'm quoting the psychological warfare value of the UFO subject and then there's another document from 1985 uh from the CIA that talks about how they were using man-made uaps and think creatures that look like aliens to abduct and kill people in Brazil and Argentina now the renowned uh astrophysicist Jo fet has that document but has been intimidated not to release it but he has admitted he has it um so this is a very dark pool to dive into what you're bringing up right here but you know people who were never firsthand in the projects like Mr grush uh they don't know which of these accounts are actually of extraterrestrial origin and which are man-made because the stagecraft to use a term that exists in a document uh of staging these are is so good that someone new to the subject can be easily deceived and deception is the name of the game with the whole UAP cover up okay so another thing that was mentioned during this meeting was a UFO that was spotted accelerating at supersonic speeds so uh David fraver a former Navy Commander said that he and three other uh military Pilots spotted a white Tic Tac shaped object in 2004 hovering just below their Jets uh in the Pacific Ocean as he descended to inspect the sighting he claimed that the identified aircraft which he said bore no visible rotors wings or exhaust began to ascend and approach a fighter jet he then said that it vanished only to reappear a few seconds later 60 miles away right um you know he told the committee that that technology that he and his team encountered defies any kind of logical explanation he said the technology that we face is far superior to anything that we had and there's nothing that we could do about it nothing well but but that's not true because he you know as a Jet Pilot is not going to be read into the state-of-the-art tech technology at the Lock heat Skunk Works or Ron so I I've spoken to Mr frer and he certainly uh is accurate in what he described there are sensors and and videotape of the object but that white Tic Tac object was actually first recorded in 1967 over Pennsylvania and we have a new top secret witness that saw it being offloaded off of a C130 trans vehicle uh during the first Gulf War in in an area near the azors and that is a man-made one that is most likely out of the locked Skunk Works so unfortunately a lot of these objects that people have are encountering uh which are very dangerous in how they move are actually human in their construction now that is a much much bigger secret than the fact that there are extraterrestrial Vehicles out there because if that were to be acknowledged the very first thing anyone with any sense is going to ask is how are how are we building these when that gets answered it'll get answered and when it gets answered it's the end of oil gas coal nuclear power public utilities and surface roads why because the technology this is why we put out this film The Lost century and how to reclaim it there's a century of technologies that have been sequestered uh and the the damage that we're seeing into the biosphere and the world poverty that has accelerated over the last 100 years uh is in large part because these sort of amazing sciences and technologies have been kept secret and ruthlessly so I mean I personally know people who have been murdered trying to bring some of these Technologies out that would take us off oil and I'm not talking a a fake Tesla car I mean the ones that you buy now a real Tesla would never have to be plugged into a Coal Fired power grid a real Tesla would be pulling energy out of the fabric of the space around it where there's an embedded level of energy called the Zero Point Energy field uh which literally the amount of space inside a coffee mug has enough potential energy at that zero point level uh liter to to boil off all the oceans of the world it's an enormous amount of power Nicola Tesla called it the infinite energy field but that was Quantified by the way by Professor cmir uh first postulated in the 30s but proven in physics journals in the 1950s so unfortunately if you're an MIT or Harvard or anywhere else studying physics and electromagnetic uh engineering you're not going to be exposed to this this is not in the textbooks it's been very highly sequestered and classified but it's the solution to Poverty global warming all kinds of issues and so you know I think that this is uh people ask why would anyone keep this secret well I'm telling you why you know we're talking what a thousand trillion dollars in Assets in oil and coal and utilities and whatnot that would be redundant unnecessary now that's not good if you own an oil field it's very good if you're a human living on planet Earth so uh I think uh for that to come out but I think this is the real debate I think we need to move very quickly away from you know these sort of ephemeral sightings which we have something like 300,000 accounts of these sort of sightings we have uh 3,500 uh aircraft pilot encounters like Mr fraver described and those have been in Reporting System since the 40s and 50s so that is old territory that they're covering we really need to start getting to the Brass tax here um because right now what's going on is Al going along the surface of observed phenomena uh there's a great deal more to this and we need to catch up very quickly uh with this and that's why we're offering the entire disclosure project intelligence archive to the government and a redacted version of it we're going to try to make available to you and the general public and the media in the next 6 to 12 months where everything we'll have will be available through a like a Wikipedia uh for all things UAP and UFO including uh all the uh black site location and documents we have thousands of documents government and thousands of pages of uh whistleblower testimony well but to be fair we've always seen Technologies get introduced that eradicated billion dollar Industries I mean like electric cars are essentially destroying gas stations right now you know I've always said you know when I got my first Tesla seven years ago I said okay in the foreseeable future you will barely see conventional gas stations anymore because this is such a better technology I mean in Hollywood you're seeing AI kind of mess with the you know the livelihood of writers it's starting to create its own its own kind of uh you know scripts and everything else like that that's natural right and in general if the net results in society is an improvement why hold back a technology that will improve all Society if a couple of Industries Fall by the wayside I mean at one point there horses and cars in America and now there's barely any horses is the flow on your argument there is not a few Industries it's the pivotal lifeblood of the industrial world today which is the energy sector that would have to be completely retooled and we're not talking a few billion we're talking over a thousand trillion dollars so the macroeconomics of this and are are Way Beyond you know test the car Way Beyond something a digital uh Innovation and this is why it has been kept so secret because uh now there is one part of this technology that should remain secret and I want to be very clear on this the aspect of it that generates energy that would run your car or house great that should be brought forward that part of it that is gives you uh basically lift and flight at speeds that are Beyond imagination which we do have those should be kept classified because that's obviously a missile and weapon delivery system and I don't think you want every terrorist in the world uh having access to that where in two or three seconds they could launch something from Mogadishu over New York and and detonate it so there are valid uh serious National Security concerns regarding the propulsion or space transfer like when he reported that object that was moved so quickly it was 60 Mi away yes so that technology having studied extraterrestrial technologies that we've reverse engineered for uh 80 years since the mid early to mid 40s uh that has resulted in some significant developments and the problem is some of those developments need to be disclosed some of them need to be disclosed later after the world figures out how to handle it so it's not another weapon of mass destruction right so I mean this is a mature conversation that has not been joined yet because people are still scratching their heads what's a UAP so you know we're always being thrown back to kindergarten when in reality there were hearings in the Congress in the 60s and 70s there were organizations with whistleblowers and pilot cases better actually than what the one Mr fraver was involved in back in the 50s and 60s I have them in our archive the question is why do we keep wanting to go back and hit the rewind button and it's sort of in a cotac going around the circle I mean I think we need to to move it Advance the discussion and also Advance the evidence much more quickly well you touched on this uh previously and you know in this Congressional meeting there was claims of a coverup so David gr said that he faced very brutal retaliation as a result of his allegation uh he also claimed knowledge of people who have been harmed or injured in the course of government efforts to conceal UFO information killed he said yeah when they asked him uh you know if anyone's actually been killed uh he said yes and he said I directed people with that knowledge to the appropriate authorities now the Pentagon responded and he and they denied all of Gru's claims of a coverup and a statement in a statement a defense department spokes person said investigators had not discovered any verifiable information to substantiate claims that any programs regarding the The Possession or reverse engineering of extraterrestrial materials have existed in the past or exist currently yeah well here's the problem how do you know they're lying their lips are moving all right so uh unfortunately the person who made that statement who was a spokesperson for the arrow office uh that we have had a number of our top secret Witnesses go through uh either is not informed of what has been provided to that office in a top secret skiff because he or she didn't have a clearance or it's been directed to say this with knowledge of forethought which is a damnable lie what Mr brush said is true about that uh and while he had secondhand involvement with those folks as I mentioned we have over 700 firsthand people that I have debriefed over the years and people much more involved than anyone that he had access to and we're we're asking for a way a mechanism for these people to safely come forward without being killed and without being threatened or or being imprisoned so uh I think that uh yeah I mean the the the fact that there's a statement coming out from some bureaucrat at the Pentagon is not evidence it's it's just it's a it's a pmic it's a rhetoric I mean overall when you look at this whole Congressional meeting did you learn anything from this meeting or was it all stuff that you already knew oh no it was all I mean all those people like fraver I had already debriefed grush I'd met with and been in communication with for a year and a half almost um no there was nothing at all new there in fact you know what everyone on my team thought was it was the biggest nothing Burger ever because it didn't even scratch the surface but you know it at least people like congressman burette and Luna and moscowitz and people like that I've met with are trying to get to the bottom of it it um but it's such a complex problem and I I want I want to just say this here the closer you get to the truth the less believable it is and in 1991 as a young emergency doctor I'm a ER Trauma doctor uh when I started digging into this I had a member of the intelligence Community say if you tell the people the actual truth about this it discredits itself it is so bizarre and it's so unbelievable that it is it discredits itself so the truth is actually Stranger Than the fiction that people are being sold for example most people wouldn't imagine that in the late 50s early 60s we had man-made uaps with things that look like aliens abducting American citizens we do and we can prove it all right so this kind of stuff is something out of Science Fiction you would think but it makes total sense if you understand what the long-term agenda is two points of the agenda one keep the Technologies under wrap except the ones we want to disclose such as fiber optics and integrade circuits what have you that were in part empowered by studying extraterrestrial material and then number two present a false threat from outer space so that as Ronald Reagan said we can unite the world around an alien threat okay so there have been a lot of programs abductions mutilations disinformation psychological warfare campaigns that have and Hollywood movies and internet shows and you know series on tabloid TV that have always presented the boogeyman alien well that's they're wanting to create a new Boogeyman because the only way to unite a bunch of squabbling primates known as Homo sapiens they feel is to Pivot towards fighting some something out in space so that is a very dangerous and stupid game but that's the long game they're playing I can assure you that that is the long game don't forget verer Von Brown who invented the rocket for Adolf Hitler on his deathbed to a member of my team Carol Rosen who is his assistant and became the first executive uh in the Aerospace industry who was a woman said that they were going to stay a an alien threat and it was all false and it was a big Global power grab and it was all a lie now we have this on record from her she's up there in years now I think she's about 80 but Vernon Brown died of course in the 70s but before he died he shared this now I have heard this from multiple people who have been very high up in the Aerospace and the intelligence Community going back to the 40s 50s 60s who've dealt with this issue so while it sounds outrageous and it is outrageous it also happens to be true okay so let's talk about Ronald Reagan for a second because that was in my notes as well so in 1974 Ronald Reagan claimed that he saw a UFO uh while on his plane this was back when he was governor of California this is before he was president Y and from you know what I read his staff told him not to mention it publicly at all because they didn't want him to look crazy to the voters essentially right but then when he was president he actually had a speech and he said that an alien threat would bring the world together that's what I just referred to what's what it kind of remind me of is uh well the original graphic novel uh of the Watchmen I don't know if you read that or not you know the movie version is a little bit different the TV show kind of goes along with this but in the Watchmen you know graphic novel The the so-called villain although he's not exactly a villain but he's somewhat of a villain azy mandas basically you know it's set where the US and Russia are about to launch nuclear weapons on each other and the world is at you know basically about to go away and azy mandas created this this man-made alien that he dropped in the middle of New York City which caused Mass Carnage thousands of people died and suddenly the US and Russia all come together and they're best friends and now they partner up and nobody wants to kill each other anymore and even though it's a big deception he's brought world peace is that kind of what Reagan was talking about in a way it is but he was a bit deceived on that because what the real agenda is is that this is a transnational and Global organization running these programs it's not just us and what they really want is a militaristic I might even say totalitarian uh system where everyone gives up their freedoms and security because of this threat alleged threat from outer space now one thing that of course if you're a thinking person but most humans are just emotional and don't think is that if you're a thinking person if there were hostile civilizations out there and given the fact that we can prove we had been targeting and knocking them out of the Skies since 1940s if they were hostile given the fact that their Technologies are in the thousands to hundreds of thousands of years more advanced than ours we would be gone I mean this planet would be a charcoal brick floating through space with no life on it so they're clearly not hostile in fact I would flip it around it the problem in this little corner of the cosmos are Homo sapiens with the weapons we have and the fact that we have not become what's called a level one civilization meaning a peaceful civilization uh look what's going on in the Middle East right now as we speak so I think that this is a big problem but it's very easy to the jingoistic thing of you know like the movie Independence Day with Will Smith let's kick alien butt right well it's very you know it's a rallying cry but who would benefit from that kind of and by the way Mr grush has been deceived with this kind of information disinformation very directly and I know who's doing it to him and if you were deceived in that way then you would actually win the Battle of disclosure and by the way I'm the founder of the global disclosure project that started in 1993 30 years ago but you would lose the war because the real long-term objective is to unite the world around some kind of militaristic authoritarian entity where people give up their freedoms for their safety and as Benjamin Franklin's reported Dev said those who give up their freedom for security shall have neither uh I this is a very big concern that we have and uh that this kind of manipulation is not hard to do and let's not forget there is his recent historic precedent for this we cannot forget the fact that Mr sheney sent Colin Powell up to the UN with vials of material showing that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction when he didn't have them and Colin Powell's Chief of Staff has come forward saying it was the biggest mistake in National Security history that they were gas lit and deceived and that was the foundation of us invading Iraq which has led to the fra in of that area in Syria and all the mess and the 20 years since but that was a deceptive operation let's not forget everybody heard the Vietnam War the Gul of tonan look it up we staged or exaggerated attacks on our ships in the Gul a tonan so that humans and Americans would become hysterical and Johnson President Johnson who was skeptical of expanding that conflict was pressur to vastly expand it to the benefit of whom the military industrial complex the very profit centered operatives that are keeping the UFO issue secret same people and those sort of operations anyone who knows history can look them up fact check what I just shared and those the big one however is this now I will say a an intermediate one between uh 911 and now would be the um abuses of power that occurred after uh the coid pandemic occurred and there were serious unnecessary abuses of state power and so but I think that of course is is one of the big risks of uh people uh let's say uh bowing down to power when they're afraid when there's fear the state can run a muck over everyone's Liberties and I think people should not not be naive about the fact that if the announcement that we're not alone in the universe if it is pivoted in the direction um that I know they they're going to try to move it then we're going to be in a much worse um it'll be Planet goog it'll be lock down Planet goog so I think we have to be very very Vigilant about this not just here in the United States but all over the world the reason United States is so key there are assets in other countries uh that deal with uaps all over the world World Brazil Ron has facilities and their facilities out in the outback of Australia pine Gap and in Great Britain and all over uh but and we know where these places are and we know what's happening at these places but the big Center of power is United States because it's the largest economy and is also the highest Tech sector and has the biggest R&D Aerospace budget from the uh TR billion dollars or so in defense intelligence and other spending so let let's say if there's you know a 10 or 20% um misuse of funds out of that trillion dollars that's 100 to 200 billion a year and I think that'd be conservative of what's going into these illegal projects so uh I think because of that the the Congress which holds the power of the purse to fund things and it was mentioned at that Committee hearing by one member of the committee that they need to start thinking about withholding funding if if these uh agencies and corporations don't start cooperating well let's talk about some things that have happened since our last interview with you so I think the biggest thing was Mexico's Congress uh had a UFO hearing and they pulled out what they say was a thousand-year-old alien corpse uh is this a real corpse or you know CU from what I read They're saying this is really just like a skull of llama piece together with some other various animal human bones to make it look like something a lot of it's not even symmetrical like like the the left and right arm bones don't match and so forth so is this is there any reality in this at all uh honestly I've known about that for about six or seven years it's not new um we have never been given access to the material and been able to do genetic studies on it and without a very sophisticated a series of genetic studies for what's called ancient DNA old DNA that's not fresh and living which is his own specialty by the way uh very few places can do it in the world uh you're not going to know what that is and so I can't I on the one hand I can't deny it but I certainly have no evidence as to what it actually is but if you just eyeball it based on all the studies that you done does it look remotely real most likely not but I mean it's theoretical Al possible look the universe is a big place it's theoretically possible there could be some life forms that look like that uh I just I'm saying that I can't I'm not going to make a statement one way or another when I have no scientific basis for making that statement and the other thing is that those could be put through an MRI or a cat scanner where you could actually see the morphology and you as a doctor I mean I know exactly what I would do with that if I had possession of it but I wasn't given access to it so it's a big question mark okay uh ring uh the camera company the door camera company recently offered a million dollars for anyone who captures an alien on their uh actual ring camera uh do you think this is just a marketing Ploy or do you think there's something to this well I actually have a picture on my cell phone of uh two actual ETS that were present at a C5 contact event if you're Close Encounters of the fifth kind you can see the film on Amazon Prime or tuby um and so it's not on a ring camera it's on my iPhone so if you could have them contact me they can send us a million dollars tomorrow okay do you have these pictures right now yeah can you show them on on the camera oh I'd have to fish them out but yeah they're pretty amazing actually so this is one and you know he uh very triangular shy pit almost like a beak light face it was at a event we did out in the Arizona desert a couple years ago uh there were about 30 witnesses to this uh this was this Photograph was taken with a really good Nikon camera by David Marone who wrote the uh screenplay for Enemy of the State and uh it was during a uh reconnaissance and contact event we were doing uh there in uh the desert up above uh Tucson up up at about 4 or 5,000 ft and uh it was a very unusual series of events happened uh we have another one uh I don't know if I have that one on my phone that happened at Joshua Tree National Park about I don't know 15 years ago and uh quite spectacular everyone saw and as a person took a picture of it now this was under low Lake conditions but it's very clear what it is and it's a an extraterrestrial being that's sort of levitating floating out in the desert just outside our Circle so yeah we have a lot of unusual material um and one of the things that we moved forward with in 1990 was concluded way number one we're not alone in the universe and number two who's making contact with them right not the state department of un so we started a project called the C5 contact program and there's an app called C5 contact that takes you through all the protocols to be able to do this and we have had so many thousands of people have sightings and contact events from using that protocol now I don't know if anyone has a ring camera that they' captured it on but uh that's an interesting wrinkle but that's that's and the reason that it works is because one of the big problems that you get into when you talk to Conventional scientists about this they're all still locked in a paradigm of things that are the speed of light are slower uh if you're in Stellar civilization your central technologies have to go beyond the speed of light right which means you're not going from point A to B at the speed of light let's say you're from a very nearby star system a thousand light years away at the speed of light it take a thousand years to get there and a thousand years to get home that's the time since the birth of Christ not practical Communications are the same problem what you and I are using is at the speed of light but if you're communicating back to say the Andromeda galaxy two and a half million light years away it would take two and a half million light years for you to say hello and the other another two and a half million Lighty year years for someone to say how are you doing today so that's five million years on a round trip just hello how are you so we know that the Technologies they have or what are known as trans dimensional Technologies and this is where you get into at the CIA it's called wsfm it stands for Weird Science and fraking magic and my uncle's Old Company North gromin it which is called pfm Pure magic excuse my language but that that's what they called it but it's these sort of very high voltage electromagnetic systems that allow for uh communication basically at the speed of conscious thought similar to what neur neural Ling's trying to do with Elon Musk uh but without the wires in other words where there's a Consciousness and thought interface with machine and therefore the communication systems are at the speed of a Quant or directed thought so it's high-tech it sounds way out there and it is but you would expect if it's extraterrestrial it have to be way out there it's not going to be early 21st century schlock like we're using I mean this is garbage right so I mean all this Tech stuff we think is so vaulted I can assure you is not even a step out of the Jungle one step out of the Jungle uh technologically compared to these civilizations so I think that having studied that we concluded that you had to sort of create a series uh sort of a scientific Paradigm of how do you communicate with and what kind of phenomenon are you going to expect in contact not with one of the fake man made uaps and Aliens but a real one and the real ones are extraordinarily um advanced in their technology but also in their state of consciousness because uh my theory is that once the civilization reaches a certain point uh what's called a level one civilization where we're peaceful we have these 0o Point free energy systems poverty has gone off the planet people turn very quickly to the development of Consciousness and intellect and uh from a spiritual point of view higher States Of Consciousness i i i distinguish spiritual from organized religion which are often diametrically opposite but um sorry to say to those of you who are religious but um but that is something that I think happens naturally so civilizations that are capable of reaching Earth from other star systems if they haven't blown themselves up with extraordinary Technologies like we have and Way Beyond what we have they've reached a certain level of Social and Spiritual Development and so we have to calculate that into our um Paradigm and go forward accordingly so that's why the origin you know this is shocking to people the orating event for the whole disclosure movement that's going on today was a C5 contact event on the beach near Pensacola Florida in March of 19 92 and I was leading a team for a weekend 60 people there were two full bird colonels and Air Force people there and four of these ET craft just popped into the sky they didn't fly just material like boom boom boom and we had a very bad quality high8 camera back then in '92 as before any of y'all were alive but um 31 years ago you can imagine and we didn't have any good equipment but we got it on camera and someone took a photograph and ended up on the front page of the Pensacola paper and that caused the intelligence Community to contact me Army intelligence CIA and NSA because they went you know what the hell are you doing because they knew we had cracked the Rosetta Stone of contact with these civilizations which we have so that ended up being uh an entree into that whole black world now early on about a month or two about two months later the head of Army intelligence uh General Albert stubblebine III offered me $2 billion to become part of his team and not do what I'm doing now but I wasn't interested in the money uh and I was on a path to try to get this information out and have a peaceful Paradigm of contact with these civilizations so to me that's really where we need to be going very quickly because right now let me tell you what's going on the only people in any official capacity dealing with this issue are people doing so illegally under cover of National Security using extremely Advanced and illegal electromagnetic pulse weapons to Target ET craft and knock them down that has to stop by all means necessary very dangerous thing to be going on and can I prove that's going on absolutely I got the footage and the photographs of having just hovered over the black sites where this is happening and have the image of the underground access points that these man-made uh uaps come out of I just came off that mission so I'm going to be handing that over to members of Congress pretty soon but what I'm saying is we need to move off of this militaristic uh approach to this and develop a more diplomatic and peaceful approach or we're going to be in a world of hurt well in August a Harvard Professor Avi loab said that he found metal in the Pacific Ocean that he claimed came from Aliens well yeah I mean look there's no question that there have been extr terestrial um encounters that go back for thousands of years if not millions of years on this planet uh I have no doubt that there are artifacts uh that are under the ocean and other places uh that that may exist as to whether they're of extraterrestrial origin or not uh again I would have to see the data and the analysis on it I know that other there's a man I'm working with I had worked with for years out down there the Redstone Arsenal uh in Alabama Huntsville who when they would find such things he would receive them uh he was actually working for it& but it was pay a contract from CIA to analyze exactly what uh AI was talking about and so we I know people personally that I've I've been in his skiff I've been in his lab I know for a fact that there has been a program acquiring that kind of material for decades and studying them and particularly if it's an intact uh object that looks like it has some technological function this scientist who is a physics and electromagnetic engineering genius that I'm that I've been working with he would be asked to figure out how it worked what it did right so yes I mean those sort of uh odor artifacts exist it's certainly not as dispositive or compelling to me as what's sitting right now under certain places like Doug way and uh Lon Oklahoma and so-called Area 51 and these black sites near Edwards Air Force Base and other places where we have underground both man-made and extraterrestrial Vehicles etvs is what they're called by the way no one uses is the word alien um the bodies are called evens extraterrestrial biological entities that's what we call them so that is the uh the fact now it's not a bad Avenue of exploration to try to find something that might be some debris in space or something that's been under the ocean for a long time but I think what we really want to do is Pivot towards current operational uh systems and acquire those now I I don't know if the Congress uh if you're aware of this but the the Senate passed and it's pending in the house although that's all tied up because of this in p with the speakership um a bill that would basically give amnesty for six months to these big Aerospace Industries and individuals that we've named uh to come forward with the bodies the craft the material or they would then at that point after 6 months it's sort of an amnesty period be subject to criminal prosecution so I think that what we have to be prepared for if in fact they do not capitulate and and obey the law they are going to need to have a law enforcement team stood up that has the capability to go to these sites and get them under control legally off you know constitutional control what I want to say to your listeners is that all projects all projects private corporate and governmental dealing with this issue are illegal unsan and unconstitutional how do I know that because since 1993 I have briefed people like the CI director and provided materials to sitting presidents and people on Senate intelligence and oversight committees for 30 years and these are people who if these programs were being run legally they would know because they are the people in the government constitutionally who are entitled to know on the other hand when they have made inquiries they have been denied access or threatened I know for a fact that there are members of Congress as well as members of uh the executive branch who in upon making inquiries have been threatened it happened to Bill Clinton it happened to Jimmy Carter it's happened to members of the house and the Senate that I know of personally from my briefings and involvement so this is a in intimidation tactic and this is why I'm giving the message out if you have worked in those projects you think you signed the n a non-disclosure agreement that's binding it isn't the reason all non-disclosure agreements are viated and neutralized is because the underlying project that you worked in is illegal now most people wouldn't know that let's say you're a 20 30 40 year old guy working in a compartmented operation for the Skunk Works Lockheed or Northrup or or the military you're just following orders right you don't know at the top that those projects are being run as a criminal operation a RICO and they are and so until the US government accepts that hard fact that we can prove in a court of law they're going to not be developing the correct strategies about the only strategy they need to do now because you heard at the hearing you keep bringing up this hearing in July where uh they talked about and I talked Congressman Brett and Luna about this going to egund Air Force Base and gee knock on the front door would you let us in and see the secret place here because they had heard there was and there is well they didn't know where it was we do they would know the name of it my Witnesses do have a guy who's been in it you can't knock on the front door and say pretty please let me in to an unsanctioned unconstitutional operation this is like going to a mafia pizza parlor in New York and asking to be taken to the back room where they're laundering money or doing you know whatever some criminal operation a't G to happen so there's a certain niev in the Congress and the White House that's got to stop because they're going to keep getting gas lit and diverted until they accept the fact that there is something very wrong here and it's something smells in Denmark here and that it's it's an illegal operation and you have to treat it as if it's an illegal operation because it is if you treat it as if it's just a compartmented secret operation uh and somehow nobody you're talking to knows about it that's the wrong approach that other reason this is important this is where Mr grush made a big error he said I can't talk about this here I need to do it in a skiff that's not true because you are not bound by a national security oath and non-disclosure agreement nor are any national security security laws applicable if the project involved is itself unconstitutional that is basic constitutional law we've run this by many constitutional attorneys what I just said is a fact and so that is a error right there now if you've come up through that system you're very much indoctrinated to if you signed a national security uh non-disclosure agreement and it says silent for 80 years and and some of them are 80 years uh you're going to be very reluctant to go outside that because of what you've been threatened with right but from a legal point of view there's no reason for anyone with information on this including documents material uh parts of a craft they could all disclose it it cannot it cannot be uh regarded as a legal Secrets as long as the White House and the Congress are not allowed to overse see it you can't have it both ways you know and so you're either going to be within the bounds of the law or not and if it's not if we're going to accept the civilization dealing with something this important that is Lawless and above the law then we're back to the Jungle well there are various alien videos that circulated uh most recently in Las Vegas Yes where some people claimed that there were these aliens in their backyard uh I watched the video and I could not see these aliens that they were referring to uh you're familiar with the situation right oh I'm very familiar with it and I've not been able to get anyone on my team who's out in that area to get anything that is what I would call actionable intelligence hard information so look you know this subject it's nine Parts myth and whatever an embellishment and one part fact uh it's very difficult I mean I I I've been dealing with this for 33 years and um I I'm not saying something like that didn't happen there's some camera footage of some object that looked like it was blew up or was hit um I have seen one thing that looked like a photo of an unusual looking creature in that backyard I have seen that it was sent to me but we haven't been able to get to the actual officers who were there or uh the the people who claimed that that this this creature appeared in their backyard after this object was struck is it plausible that could have happened yes because they're near an area MOA a military operating area that do have systems that can Target and hit an ET Craft um and I know where these are around various parts of the United States by the way uh I in the early mid 90s I learned that there was one of these uh it was horseshoe shaped electromagnetic pulse weapons along the coast of Florida along egund Air Force Base uh whether that's still there or not I don't know but so it's feasible that that event happened but again I haven't been able to get anyone to uh get on the inside and confirm it well I mean there's been other videos for example 2019 there was the quote unquote Dobby Alien video you know what I'm talking about it was a character that looked like something out of U Harry Potter essentially that was kind of like wobbling around in someone's backyard uh on their camera do you know what I'm talking about with this one uh I know the one they call boo that Stan romanc had hold on let me let me show you what I'm not sure I'm familiar with that look there have been several I always go well you know it's uh you know what it all comes down to is the provenance what what's the provenance of this let me let me just show you this video that I'm talking about um oh yeah yeah I I have seen that you know the question is um you'd have to here yeah here it is again yeah always the question weird looking I don't know looks like an elf or a little troll almost and uh I don't know I don't know what to make of it it's like I said this was four years ago well again I I haven't gotten access to the that original foot footage or talked to the person who took it it's theoretically possible that that was one that appeared and disappeared but the question is was is that an extraterrestrial one or a man-made one so it gets a little weirder when you start entertaining the idea that we have man-made aliens that would look just like that wait wait so you're saying there's man-made aliens that they've actually bioengineered nonhuman non Earth animal creatures that are actually running around well that they're using Special Operations to abduct people and do things like that yeah why why would you abduct abduct somebody using a man-made alien as opposed to just sending in a military person to do it because they want people to believe that they have been abused by an alien so that they can justify interplanetary War that's what we were talking about earlier this whole this whole is this whole thing is a py psychological warfare operation going back since 1953 70 years uh when they concluded they could use the whole UFO issue for its psychological warfare value and I'm quoting from the CIA document we have uh and and that uh that I provided in briefings to people at the White House and and Congress so I think that you have to understand what does that mean it means exactly what you I just told you so let's talk about this there there there are three three different phenomenon masquerad and is alien one is actual extraterrestrial the other are what we call stagecraft like in the early days we have an Air Force intelligence officer who's a witness on camera and this is actually in our documentary called unacknowledged it's had over 700 million people see it you can see it on Amazon or or tuby or whatever and he states that they had staged these abductions and in the early days would take a very short man and then make them up like Hollywood style look like an alien and they'd be put on these man-made UFOs and they would go and abduct people now what to what purpose so what would just talked about for the psychological warfare so they could convince brainwash people that there was a threat it's just like Cheney marching uh colen Powell up to the UN with yellow cake or evidence that that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction when he didn't it's all part it's it's a deception and so this is where a lot of people get irritated because I'm really the biggest skeptic you'll ever run across about about 80 to 90% of everything out there that people put forward is alien I'm going yeah well the mutilations human all those animal mutilations being done by human uh psychological warfare operations the abductions same thing these a lot of these creatures there many of them are robotic if you look at the ones that people like Stan romanc and I have a top secret guy whistleblow who just come forward who he encountered one of these and it tried to attack him he knocked it down it thought it was skin and when it tore open there were all these integrated circuits and fiber optics and wires under there but it looked exactly like that thing you just showed so and that was he absolutely man-made and then there's one other level and those are what are called plfs program life forms and these are biological so let's say you have an ET that you've captured that's dead you take the genetic material and everyone knows we've cloned things like sheep and what have you you clone it but then you put integrated circuits in the cerebral cortex and that biological alien is sort of a programed life form that can then be used in a deceptive operation now a few minutes ago I told you the more in depth we get into this the crazier it's going to sound but it's true uh and now but let's put a pin in that what do you think has happened when when grush and others say you know we've had these craft we've reverse engineered them imagine having over the years trillions of dollars in some of the smartest scientific Minds I have ever met working in these deep black projects there have been amazing paydays not just on energy and propulsion and Communications and weapons but on biology in my sphere medical and so it's a mistake to think that that has not been exploited and bent to the purpose of these deceptive uh indications and warnings as they're called or deceptive false flag operations so that is exactly what was decided in the 1950s and they have done it very very professionally occasionally some facts leak out like that CI document talking about the CIA staging abductions for their psychological warfare value uh in in Brazil and arent and it said alien abductions uh same thing with what what the Air Force intelligence officer Mr Dodie said about in the United States where they had done these abductions using various stage crafting uh now we've known of this I this has been documented by researchers since at least the 1980s before I got involved and we have further documented it but this sounds so outrageous and unbelievable um unfortunately both the General Public and the Congress go boy this is a bridge too far we can't wrap our mind around that you know they're still trying to figure out what that thing is that Mr fraver chased the Tic Tac you know and they don't even figure that out yet because that was ours that was almost certainly from the lock Skunk Works well yeah I mean when you talk about alien abductions the one term you always hear is anal probes right down till I remember the first episode of South Park Cartman gets you know abducted by aliens and they do an anal probe to the point where like a satellite comes out of his butt know by the end of the episode what is it about aliens and anal probes that seem to go hand in hand oh yeah well it's all it's also ridiculous and you always have to ask the question you're going to dra go through Interstellar space and your need to take you know your sperm and her egg and create some I mean this is just all nonsense but the public is actually very gullible to believe this because it's been in movie science fiction ufology for decades and also there's another problem humans are very easily brainwashed about something that looks different from them that they should hate this is the root of you know you look at chimpanzees were 98% the same they've done studies how chimpanzees organize into troops and engage in Warfare so what humans have this sort of our genetic original sin is this proclivity that we want to kill or fight anything that is different from us whether it be a gay person whether it be a different color A different race a different nationality different religion look at the Middle East and so that is being exploited by people who understand deeply uh the foibles of human psychology and that's why psychological warfare programs like this are so effective now they're only effective if people are tricked by them we were tricked after 911 with Iraq having weapons and mass destruction they didn't we were tricked in Vietnam the only question I'm asking people are we going to be tricked again I always like to say it's like the who we won't be Fooled Again well that was in the 70s right or 60s I hate to tell the who we were we have been tricked again and again and again the question is are we going to be fooled again and right now unfortunately with the buffoonery going on here in Washington and with the UFO subject I'm a little concerned we may be tricked again well right because when we talk about that the most recent phenomenon that happened was the the Bigfoot video from Colorado have you seen this thing no I actually have never really delved into the bit Bigfoot allegations I I actually don't know anything about it right there's a video of a so-called Bigfoot in Colorado um you know I mean there's going to be sightings of the lock monster someone claimed they finally got a picture but you know I mean ultimately like for example when I had Neil degrass Tyson on my show M and you know he's a renowned astrophysicist and so forth he has you know his take on various things when I asked him about aliens he said look ultimately when you look at the world most people have a highdef camera phone in their pocket that they carry everywhere this was not true in the 90s it wasn't true any time before then but now most humans have a 4K or at least 1080p camera everywhere they go and yet you have not seen any sort of video that has been released that beyond a shadow of a doubt says this is either an extraterrestrial being or a spaceship you said you're telling me there's an alien in front of your airplane and the best you could do is a fuzzy monochromatic Tic Tac and it's in our atmosphere it's there and the plane can see it really not only that but there's six billion smartphones in the world last time I checked and each phone can take high resolution photographs and video if a kitten jumps from the table to the back of the couch and falls it goes viral do you think if anyone has a video of an alien it wouldn't go viral nowadays you can stream what your phone sees if an alien is taking you into a flying saucer you can stream that in the air of the smartphone there's no such video that's right so basically you're saying that all these UFO sightings none of them are actual extraterrestrial alien objects that's not what I'm saying I'm saying if you want to declare that the evidence is insufficient to convince someone who's an authentic skeptic uh you want it to be an alien that'd be extraordinary if it's an alien but it's just it's a light doing things in the sky that you can't explain everything that comes out is always fuzzy and weird like I said that Las Vegas video I sat there watched it and they're claiming that these giant aliens in the background I I didn't see it how do you explain that because what he's saying is a lie I mean he hasn't looked at the evidence there is enormous number of very high quality photograph video uh of these objects and craft and also the military has acknowledged they have them and they are more in their collection so for him to say that would indicate to me that he's actually carrying water for people trying to advance the cover up anyone who would just read the book disclosure or unacknowledged that has all these accounts and images and photographs and government documents no one can look at that evidence that has been put on a silver platter so someone who is allegedly a scientist to make a statement like that just means that his he's either completely closed-minded and brainwashed or is knowingly lying to the public there's only two choices there because the evidence is there now if you haven't looked at the evidence then you can have an opinion but it's not a valid and informed opinion so as uh Senator Daniel Patrick moan famously said everyone is entitled to their own opinion but not to their own set of facts so we have abundant numbers of photos and videos and of all of that and let's not forget that the best quality material is very rapidly taken into these covert programs and you're not going to take that out of a skiff you know a covert facility you can't take a piece of paper out of one of those facilities you take nothing in and you leave with nothing I know I've been in these places so you know you you're not taking anything in so uh and it's not as if these ET vehicles and beans are landing willy-nilly just saying hi how you doing um you know so to the extent that we have any evidence in the public domain is really quite extraordinary but there's plenty of it uh we have a excellent photo for example the Costa Rican government uh gave me the original negative from a survey plane of taking uh surveying uh the countryside near Lake adinal in the volcano and underneath is this uh seamless uh ET disc coming up and I have the negative I published the photograph the Vancouver Island uh daytime photograph of a seamless disc analyze it was done before there could be deep fakes we have a lot of this so for him to say that doesn't exist is a simply it's a a Canard it's false well in June of this year uh a lawyer came out and claimed that his client had witnessed a UFO that distorted space and time so the story goes like this I guess they had found some sort of object and they used a bulldozer to pull it out when it came out it looked like a pie slice um they they didn't want to destroy it so they had one of the guys go into it and I guess on the outside it was relatively small but when he got inside it was the size of a football stadium that's right offense he started to freak out he started to feel nauseous um you know because on the outside was only 30 feet in diameter with a football field on the inside uh he came out after a couple of minutes but from the outside it was like he was in there for four hours and they claimed that this is a a Time Distortion a space Distortion piece of technology it is are are you familiar with this yeah oh yeah absolutely again yeah I know a number of people who have been in Special Operations where they've uh had that experience with these objects um in fact one of our retrieval team members who was north of Area 51 in a remote uh base uh maybe a decade ago uh they had targeted and stunned a fairly large ET craft that came down uh it did not uh disintegrate it was intact but stunned there were uh two man-made triangular anti-g grabs in the air and they were this member was flown in on helicopters with Delta Force people to retrieve this this object actually came back to life as it were and he had an encounter with two of the occupants but this object once it got operational the man-made uaps took off because they knew that we need to get out of here but the entire all the helicopters and all the men the Delta Force and these other workers were instantly space there was a a a time space snap where they were teleported back over a 100 miles to their their helicopter base their Hilo base and I have heard of the absolutely that technology is real uh and uh it's understood actually by classified science uh researchers well in 2003 they say that a football-sized uh object craft hovered Over The vanderberg Air Force Base and I guess this was uh discussed in the House of Representatives hearing uh hearing on UFOs yeah there there are been many of these I mean some of them are the size of football fields I mean remember our new uh whistleblower the Marine who came across a man-made one in Indonesia dur during that earthquake and tsunami in 20 9 Michael Herrera he and his five platoon buddies came across a man-made one that was as big around as a football field is long and there were uh special operators black operators uh forces there and they were transporting human slaves and weapons um so there's a huge human enslavement trafficking part of these covert programs that was man-made when it took off it took off like a spark off of off of a grinding wheel it just it it hovered made a Transformer sound and then boom was over the horizon instantaneously thousands of miles per hour that is man-made so you know and he is willing he is willing to testify under oath to that and he's in touch with his five platoon buddies now they were almost all killed but he's one of the few people I know who stumbled across an operation like that that involves drug and human trafficking that these cover programs are doing that have not been just shot and killed instantly and the reason he thinks he wasn't is that there was a whole operation there uh from his ship uh that would have heard that and seen they were missing and so they let them go but they threatened to they put guns right to their heads and took their weapons and took everything um so I have heard these accounts many times so one of the big problems is that these covert programs there are some really Rogue elements of them that are using these Advanced Technologies that look like a alien spacecraft a UAP in uh human trafficking as well as in drug running and arms running and that is a big source of income because it's all in cash I have a man who was at Doug way Proving Grounds a huge remote site in Utah where the largest underground base is and he said that all transactions in this sector that he worked in and we have the name of the sector and its location was in cash all cash and a lot of that cash is coming from these sort of clandestine and illegal activities well what I don't understand is this when you look at air travel you know I took a plane yesterday from Los Angeles to New York it took approximately five hours when you look at air travel technology it hasn't really progressed very far from like the' 60s right you know I don't know maybe in the 60s it might might have taken an extra hour hour and a half at the most essentially flying a plane in 2023 takes about as long as it did 50 60 years ago correct so how do you how could you say that there's this technology where air travel could go at the speed of light or instantaneous or so forth and yet this huge multi-billion dollar uh airline industry is still using 1960s technology because they're not allowed to use this technology because it's been kept extremely secret and anyone who tries to move it forward is killed I mean this is not hard to figure out uh I mean if people are naive and thinking that a group like this doesn't use lethal Force you know I have a bridge to sell you and some swamp land in Florida this is nonsense I mean this these are ruthless one of the things that that Mr grush said to me partway into his his journey in this it was he was still undercover to where he came out publicly in the previous year he says these guys are Thugs and I had warned them and I had warned his his superiors that you're dealing with some of the most thuggish criminal violent sociopaths you will ever deal with who run these projects and that's what he said and he's right so you know there's this there's sort of this Bambi like I mean imagine something a thousand times more lethal but high-tech than the gambino crime family or the cartels in Mexico running these programs get your mind around that and you'll begin to get close to what you're up against so you know no Aerospace no Airline executive or Aerospace company is going to March these Technologies out uh do we have them yes uh are they allowed to be disclosed absolutely not what we're advocating for for is that the matter be disclosed the things that fly be kept classified but the energy systems see this what we advocate in the Lost Century that this documentary we just released is that those technologies that would in poverty at least fixed pollution and and all these other problems and also energy Independence every village and house would be energy independent right because you're not getting energy from external it's a device sitting there looks like a heat pump running your house your car or whatever um those Technologies need to be out 100 years ago right uh now I I do as I said earlier I think things that move at that kind of velocity obviously anybody could figure out you can make that into a a weapon delivery system well there's a lot of other ufologists outside of yourself and one of the more known ones is Bob Lazar yes now I've met him very very interesting figure uh um he claimed that he was hired in the late 80s to reverse engineer extraterrestrial technology uh he supposedly worked in a secret site called S4 um you know which was uh near Area 51 uh he says he's examined alien spacecraft and and read US Government briefing documents that described alien involvement in human Affairs over the past 10,000 years now in general people have dismissed him uh part of which you know he has a bit of a criminal record 1990 he was involved in a prostitution ring in 2006 he was arrested for selling illegal chemicals um journalist Ken Lane States a lot of credible people have looked at lazzar's story and have rationally concluded that he made it up I yeah and and that's why when we did the disclosure project in O 2001 and the most recent one we have not included that testimony because number one we need corroboration of it which we've never been able to get uh now remember when I'm this information I'm giving you it isn't from One Source often there are a dozen people who have explained the same thing who aren't knowing each other aren't in collusion have been in different commands or different locations so we try to do that very carefully so uh someone like that I can't say it's true or not true uh there's been no one who has been able to corroborate it and uh but here is something I can corroborate S4 is real S2 phoot Mesa Groom Lake we have a current whistleblower who for several years worked in that area and another one who was there around the same time dealing with the ET issue as well as the man-made uh at Advanced Technology uh anti-grab craft uh some people call those arvs alien reproduction vehicles and those so is there a compound and an underground dumb there deep underground military base there yes uh does it deal with this issue yes now beyond that um you know the other specifics of what he's related we we haven't been able to confirm well Obama did an interview with Stephen coar and what Obama said is when he first got into you know into office and became president uhuh he said hey you know show me the secret laboratory with the alien corpses in it and he said outright there were none now he did say that there's videos of objects flying objects out there and they don't know what they are but you know unlike the Independence Day movie he's claiming that even at the office of presidents there is no lab with like a corpse of an alien sitting there where people are are poking around at it well not no he was he would be denied access remember what I told you when I briefed President Clinton CIA director in December of 1993 it had been made very clear to him the president as well as the CI director that they would be denied access to that so one of the big issues here is this is how we have made the statement that these projects are being run unconstitutionally because the the key people in the Congress as well as numerous presid residents that we've dealt with have been deceived or flat out denied access in a subsequent interview Obama admitted that we can't talk about that and we don't get much access to it Bill Clinton I can't say who he was in a limousine with but I know him he's on my team after he left the presidency he was there with a a superstar and this particular producer in Hollywood who's on our team and they asked about the UFO issue and Clinton said oh yes they exist but I wasn't allowed to know much about it um except some materials were put together for me so I could investigate it and that was the presidential briefing document that I did but he said that George HW Bush who was a member of this committee keeping this secret came to him and threatened him and said this is none of your business but out now this is to a sitting president people need to understand that is actually what's going on you know everyone's still living in high school civics lesson where the president has an all excess pass the oversight Committees of the Congress gets clear access to any operations this is a myth I mean that that went The Way of All Flesh in the late 1950s which is why Eisenhower when he left office gave that famous speech beware the military industrial complex he was an anti-military he was a festar general of in World War II and a two-term Republican president that statement wasn't made by you know Abby Hoffman or some 60s radical dropping LSD with long hair this was a Conservative Republican five-star general president and the reason he said it and we know this from someone who worked in the white house with him the last year that he was alive uh who was on our team who's since passed away Steven lovkin that uh he was being denied control over these programs even though he knew about them and that this whole matter had been taken into an unsanctioned and unsupervised operation somewhere between 1955 and 60 somewhere in that period a lot of times you see these ancient structures and people claim that they were made by aliens uh the Pyramids of Giza Stonehenge uh in the UK uh Machu Picchu uh in Peru is there any proof at all that these weren't simply man-made with you know just some smart mathematicians behind them MH I personally don't see anything alien like when I go to the Pyramids of Giza you yourself do you see any sort of connection between those two things well honestly I don't necessarily think that there were the ETS that made them I think there could have been some extraordinary technologies that were used for example um there is a record of technologies that existed on Earth Earth of civilization more advanced than we are now and the question is were there some use of some type of electrogravitic levitation technologies that were used the other problem is even when the Smithsonian paid $5 million to simulate using mathematics and the technology uh that archaeologist say existed back in the time of of the pyramids those obelisks like the Washington Monument but those were all one big piece of stone they couldn't raise the smallest one with everything we know now about mathematics and Engineering with what's been pul so there's something doesn't add up there but I think it's a bridge too far to claim they were built by ETS but they were certainly their construction and the Precision of the stones cut how far they were moved how they were put into place there a lot of questions I have but I have no proof of how that might have happened except the man I refer ref to earlier from Redstone Arsenal area H who who uh is given material occasionally is not always extraterrestrial he has been given uh objects that are tens of thousands of years old or older that are technological that have been found in the ocean and elsewhere that were of human origin and were extremely Advanced Technologies so I believe that it's likely that on Earth prior to to the modern era there have been civilizations far Advanced Beyond where we are that for which we have very little record and when that record is found uh I think it's kind of swept under the the the carpet you know it's interesting there were years ago when they did the the Mars uh images and they found that there were these oblisk and strange looking objects on Mars i t I went out to the Goddard space flight center here outside DC to meet with uh Mark carado and some other scientists there and they said yep it's been pixelated out for the public but there are structures there and uh they were very ancient but we're talking millions of years old millions and I was out in California after I had disclosed this to some people and a man came up to me from JPL jet propulsion labs and I didn't know him he knew who I was and said Dr G here's the issue you're right those exist but we can't disclose that I said why it's not an operational ET device it's not you know it's old he says yes but you don't understand how powerful the this information is I said why he says if this was disclosed it would collapse the fundamentalist Orthodox belief systems of every religion on Earth I said what this science and this evidence is being kept secret for religious reasons he says yes because the creation myths uh now I'm not talking about most people but the those sort of fundamentalist Orthodox belief systems they'd all crumble they' be completely gone and you would have to come up with something a little more rational right um than the world is 6,000 years old and we you know used to ride uh dinosaurs you know like horses if you go to the Creation Museum in Kentucky so this is true by the way um those of you in urban areas you need to kind of wake up a bit about the rest of the world but uh that's just how it is so what I tell people is that some of this evidence has been kept secret not for scientific reasons but for social belief uh and how much that information would disrupt uh most people's foundations of their Paradigm and belief well I mean back in the day thousands of years ago this was true I mean when ancient you know scientists said that the Earth was round they were put in jail and they were you know executed uh you know uh saying that the Earth was not the center of the universe was heresy yeah you know in fact for hundreds of years if not thousands of years people thought that the the sun and the moons rotated around the earth Y and when basic astronomy showed that wasn't true they said oh well this little semicircles that they were doing around the earth to try to somehow justify it and then that didn't work until finally someone said okay the only plausible explanation is that the sun is the center of this universe and all the planets rotate around it and all those pieces fit together but in 2023 science is out there and so forth so I I don't I mean religion is not world the way it did in you know two 3,000 years ago even a thousand years so why would it why would people get the you know feathers ruffled over this because there are still huge numbers of people in our country and around the world who are not rational and scientific they're they're B really based on their uh these belief systems which would be upended and this guy was very blunt about it and I think he's quite correct uh so for example uh we might find out that the origins of homo sapiens altogether isn't what we think either darwinian or other so there are all kinds of implications to this issue you know this is one of the things when I was out at Lawrence rockefeller's Ranch back when we were setting up things to for the Clinton Administration back in September of 93 out in the Tetons and he took me out at night on the deck and he said look he said Dr G no aspect of life on Earth will be unaffected by this being disclosed so vast and so large are the implications I said yes Lawrence that's why it's been kept so secret so now we're touching on another whole area of concern and that is uh now I don't think most rational religious and spiritual people would have a problem with the fact they don't think the world's 6,000 years old and and there's no reason for them to think that a Supreme Being would leave all their his hopes for intelligent life just in humans God help us right so but you know there are a large number of people and in around the world a significant number of people who would have find that very upsetting um so that's been another consideration it's easy for hyper rational westerners who live in urban areas to brush that off but if you go around the world and we're talking a world of eight billion people they're not all like you in New York well I mean you're talking about essentially the missing link right in terms of you know the the Darwin philosophy is that humans evolve from monkeys but they can't find any DNA that is the link between monkeys and humans correct it just not that it doesn't exist it just hasn't been found we've been constantly you know you constantly hear stories of oh we just found this one uh ancient human here we found this ancient monkey here but yet they can't link the DNA from a monkey to a human to show that it actually evolved from one to another so people aren't really sure people aren't really sure where humans came from completely to be honest I I can speculate but I don't have the proof I suspect there has been some interface between early hominids and uh life forms that are more advanced from other star systems that could have resulted in us now can that be proven probably the people who have the bodies of the ET folks maybe could prove that but I can't I'm speculating so now the other big question becomes there was a group of computer scientists a few years ago that calculated that the uh the genetic let's call it the Genome of the whole planet all the genetic material in life for it to be here would uh take about 4 and a half billion years under normal mutation darwinian selection but there's only been life on Earth for 700 million years so how did that accelerated uh diversity and biodiversity happen on this planet because it doesn't fit any of the mathematical and scientific models for natural selection natural mutations Etc and so you know they brought this up only as a big question without an answer so I think there are a lot of questions I mean most of what I think we need to find out and discover isn't known yet but I think that this area of of uaps and extraterrestrial intelligence is going to hold a lot of the keys to it um which I think is very exciting in many ways but you know those issues I think are secondary to um the problems with governance the misuse of these Technologies by an unchecked power uh up to an including weapons of mass destruction and all kinds of trouble being created around the world and also what we've lost that's why I call it the Lost Century why are we still burning jet fuel and oil and gas and your electric car is plugged into a coal fired and gas fired power grid not to mention the 900 lbs of lithium ion batteries are an environmental Holocaust so there are a lot of really kind of good Feelgood environmental things out there and I have the largest legal solar farm in Virginia at my farm in Virginia near Thomas Jefferson's house but it won't even run the house and it you know it was a huge investment so the problem is is that we're facing some really existential crises and we're we're fiddling while Rome Burns we really need to bring out these here to for classified technologies that would fix it I I think the problems we're facing have a solution that already exists but they have to be disclosed carefully well yeah I remember discussing there there were some articles that were circulating where some people had theories that religion was actually introduced by aliens in an effort to keep humans from just killing each other early on you know me personally I'm not very religious but I can't see how religion has kept societies especially more ancient societies together and being kind to one another and having a set of rules that everyone abides by as opposed to I'm hungry I'm going to take whatever I need uh I don't like this person I'm going to kill whoever I want to kill you know there is some sort of basis of it and people are saying that this was something that you know I mean there's always the theories that aliens have come in during key parts of human history to try to sway humans from destroying each other you know do you have any sort of thoughts on this or have you heard anything substantial Behind these these types of theories yeah I don't know that the the origins are of extraterrestrial um you know basis for religions I think that there have been a number of things in ancient times that you could easily mistake as Supernatural that was extraterrestrial now and and let me explain why if you were to go back 200 years and show Thomas Jefferson your cell phone or uh an eyewatch or whatever it would look like magic you and and if you're in Massachusetts and Salem you'd be burned at the stake as a witch so you know one civilization's everyday technology is a a less developed civilizations magic so I think that there have been events that have occurred in the past that have been mythologized in various Traditions that may very well have been some sort of extraterrestrial phenomenon and and that would make a lot of sense because how would you know otherwise it's like The Gods Must Be Crazy that movie if you've ever seen it yeah I saw yeah uh where you know someone throws a coke bottle or something out of a airplane and it becomes this object of great wonder and then fighting over it and then they're having a holy war over this thing right uh and that's a movie but it was really more based on the the what we call the cargo Cults in the Pacific during World War II there were islands that had never seen human Advanced uh technology such as airplanes and One landed and when we came back they had made a whole statue like a god to the pilot and the airplane it's it's a great book and it shows how humans can take something they don't really understand and tur it into an object of religious reverence right uh and I'm not saying that all religion is based on that at all I'm just saying that there there certainly has been some crossover of people having experiences with extraterrestrial intelligence because the experiences my group have had with with these civilizations boy it'd be very easy to confuse that with something from another you know an Angelic realm or something like that if if you didn't know what the distinctions were um by the way you know people bring up things like Bigfoot what have you one last category of strangeness I haven't discussed that's also gets thrown in here in the blender of confusion the great scrambled hos of our brains is the um the things like that that are actually interdimensional so there are phenomenon that are emerging from other dimensions that occas usually interface with this dimension of 3D space time and people will call them alien but they're not so this is a little more of a Nuance but since you brought it up earlier I thought I'd provide that point of clarification a lot of people will see something like that and there is evidence for strange like stranger things right um and those can be From Another Dimension but they're not of extraterrestrial an extraterrestrial biological entity is from another star system system and Planet but here's where you get the crossover confusion to go from point A to B they are dropping out of linear space time and traversing other dimensions so some of the phenomenon that's extraterrestrial looks very very close to Something From Another Dimension you know almost like Poltergeist or what have you so all of this has to be I I wrote a whole section of one of my books on uh extraterrestrials and the new cosmology that we sort of need a new cosmological order and Fila and understanding uh to be able to distinguish between uh man-made stagecraft extraterrestrial and other let's just call it weird stuff and strange stuff um but what we live in a time where people don't want to exert the intellectual discipline to do that nuancing and they just lump everything together so now the alien is so popular that's why I don't use the word alien because to me alien has become sort of a catchall term for everything people don't understand and in reality it's several things well when I asked Neil degrass Tyson if he believes in God the first thing he said was which God are you talking about because there's been thousands of gods throughout human history but to be specific he said based on all the the you know the learning that he's done about the universe he can't find any evidence that there's some sort of intelligent being that sort of supersedes the universe that's somehow directing the universe in certain types of ways he finds it all to be random So when you say Do you believe in God is there is it which God is it Zeus is it Poseidon is it the the Jewish god is it the Christian God because the Jewish god from the Old Testament is filled with wrath okay all right and and smoting and smiting and whatever the the past tense verb is and so and the New Testament that God is Kinder right nicer yeah yeah yeah all right so you look at all of this and you say is that the god you want me to comment on or is there some other God typically it's the judeo-christian blend there in that context I would say in my studies of the Universe I I value evidence and I don't see evidence for any kind of um active intelligence or power over anything you know when you look at any sort of phenomenon yes a phenomenon happened but randomly other phenomenons will happen as well so based on all you know you're learning throughout you know your time here on Earth do you believe in God and are you religious at all oh yeah I believe in God and I I believe in these other dimensions and an afterlife because when I was 17 I died I had an extraordinary near-death experience but um as far as organized religion there's the good and the bad in all of them and I tend to be aware that demagogues have ruined almost all spiritual traditions and I can't think of one that hasn't been corrupted by men okay but yes I do believe there is an the word God is uh you know sort of misused I'm ref referring to sort of an unbounded conscious intelligent Supreme Being right I'm not talking about somebody's statue or idolatry so yes I'm quite sure that exists and uh in my own life I I've seen great evidence of it and frankly you know before I was a doctor I was everybody laugh was I dating myself here uh I was a meditation teacher and I was with the Maharishi and went all over in the early' 70s setting up meditation centers and the reason I did was after my near-death experience which I did have an experience of that sort of universal aspect of our own Consciousness I discovered that the nature of conscious awareness itself at its deepest level is that great being it is an amazing experience so I don't I think people are always looking outside when they should Discover it inside you know you talked about how well you said you'd actually met an alien being before and and you also pointed out the different various types of aliens uh that you said have made contact with Earth over the years now are any of these aliens humanoid enough to actually mate with actual humans and create mixed human alien Offspring uh I doubt it um there are some species there's one species in particular would look like first cousins but what I know about embryology and reproduction um I'm not so sure that that would be possible without it being done artificially now I mean obviously with crisper and with cloning and other Technologies you could do some things uh but in terms of let's just call it normal reproduction um I doubt that very seriously well right I mean you need to really be aligned in terms of your DNA to create Offspring so for example uh a donkey and a horse could have sex but they'll create a mule which cannot recreate itself right right but they can't actually create a mule they can create a a genetic Offspring that's a mix between the two it just can't reproduce so yeah so this gets into this whole question of have these sort of experiments been done in classified projects and the answer is yes and so uh there are some rather monstrous programs that would make mingala in Nazi Germany the doctor there who did all these horrible things with human experimentation would make him blush and I know about them and I know people who worked in them so have there been some of these things done by humans not by the ETS yes and uh you know you get into some very strange uh life forms that's called them that are look partially human partially extraterrestrial as as a result of these programs I know there's one uh that was operational out at dugway Proving Grounds in Utah we have a man who was there who saw this um so there scientifically there's no reason why a bunch of mad scientists in CT programs with what they have couldn't do it um and the my problem is to what end and under what ethical universe but also could these objects these sort of life forms be used again in a deceptive operation the false flag yes so this is one of the big problems is that this is like a stinking onion you pull this back and it's one layer after another you think you've gotten to the center of it there 30 more layers and that's unfortunately what I've been trying to do for 33 years but um and every time I think I've hit the end of how gruesome and crazy these cover programs get I hit another sub baseman of crazy and uh I just learned of the worst one two weeks ago and what is that the I mentioned what Michael Herrera the Marine saw in transporting humans in these crates well a man who is currently very high up in these covert programs contacted me and said and I've since been meeting with him those were used in human experimentation to uh and they were recruited recruting and selecting people in very poor desperately poor countries uh who said yeah get me out of here and they would take them crate them up take them to a place out in the desert I know where it is and they would uh were selected for having a high telepathic or precognitive what's called P3 uh and psychokinetic capabilities and those people were then used in human experimentation with Machinery to create a human machine conscious interface to be able to basically take over the conscious technology interface guidance systems of ET craft to basically hijack them bring them over to sites and hit them with electromagnetic pulse weapons now you can unpa that for a few years what I just told you but I know for a fact that that program is ongoing and in fact I'm planning to go out to this site soon to deal with it directly so you know we're moving very very quickly it's a it's a shame that the Congress is moving at the speed of a glacier uh as is of course the mainstream media of course the mainstream media never covers anything important um a show like yours can't but you know I mean ABC and CNN and fox they're never going to cover anything relevant well this is my last question you obviously have a very large following in our last interview millions of people tuned in and listen to what you had to say but to be fair I would say the majority of the population feels that you're a conspiracy theorist because they have yet to see any actual physical proof you know you showed us a picture and and you you've talked about various things that you've seen and so forth but can you actually pull out I don't know an alien hand or a piece of a spaceship that's clearly not man-made do you have any of these things in your possession that at some point you're going to pull out and say look here is the the proof that cannot be denied well do you have a nuclear trigger and a thermonuclear Warhead no I do not okay have you stated to people that you're certain we have thermonuclear weapons and nuclear triggers well we've seen hirosima wait wait wait wait wait so I'm going to turn the tables on you of course we don't have something like that now do I know where they are are we advising law enforcement where they can go get it yeah but that's not my job I'm not the president and I'm not Congress I'm a retired emergency doctor doing the best we can do with limited resources we don't have your kind of wealth and so what I'm saying is that people who have those objects we know who they are and where they are and where we can go get them but you're not going to go in there and ask pretty please and certainly I don't possess that kind of material CU if I did it would be released instantaneously now we convict people and execute people for murder with one or two witnesses and some forensic evidence we have 755 firsthand witnesses to what's going on and thousands of documents and all this evidence and videos whatever that's enough to make the case I don't need to drag a dead body out of Area 51 and to say that that's the if that's the B for launching a governmental investigation there's no point doing it but it's also a bit of a a cynical Canard because there are people who make assertions all the time about things they know to exist but they can't produce them very few people can produce a thermonuclear weapon although everyone on Earth believes they exist because they do so uh I I think that's just a an analogy I'm using in this case but you could do that for a number of issues um and I think that there's more evidence for this than there is for black holes right or many of the other uh foundations of physics that that people uh would refer to so what I point out is that you know we are not we can't set the bar so high that no one can get over it until the government and law enforcements go in and secure these assets um and the people who have worked in those places I'll tell you a little story one man I know who worked in a very sensitive facility like this there was a piece of paper that had very sensitive classified information on it he crumpled it up and threw it in a trash can guards with weapons came in within moments and said what did you just do went over and picked this thing up and said this is not how you dispose of that something like this so and this is someone who' been on my team for 15 years so people have to realize no one's marching into one of these highly classified areas and dragging at the hand of an ET out or now if someone does please contact me because that we will release immediately and if I get a national security order slapped on me I'll do a big buzz off right um so but until that happens and until the the government authorizes a team to go in there and get this and show it to the members of Congress and the American people we're going unless something falls into our lap and I don't rule that out I don't rule it out we may in fact have something like that happen down the road given the speed at which people are defecting from these organizations I have one man that I just recently met with who had been involved in transporting the Biologicals the the bodies from uh ET craft and this person is still fully operational at a sight so it's it may be that at some point we will be able to take possession of of that kind of material uh but right now I certainly don't have it well right but when you say that someone like this someone who works in these top secret organizations are too scared to release some of this information I don't know if I can agree with you because in my line of work I mean for example I interviewed one of the people in the car who was responsible for Tupac's murder he wrote a book about it and did multiple interviews about it and now he's being faced with this murder charge 26 years later because of what we call in this world clout chasing you know he was willing to give up potentially the rest of his life in a jail cell in order to get some short-term publicity whoever pulls out an alien hand or a part of an alien spaceship will become the most famous person on Earth for a good amount of time will also become a multi-billionaire and everyone will pay top dollar to interview them and and look they would be killed long before they got it out of the facility I mean these are shoot to kill orders I've been at these facilities um you know I this is just a fantasy and the murder of a rapper is in no wise can be related or compared to to the security why they're call opx operational security around these sort of projects it's a it's another Canard and you yourself I remember I wasn't present for your last interview but my cameraman in Los Angeles told me that when you pulled up you had what he described as like almost an armored vehicle you had security around you and so forth is this something that you keep 247 I keep it when I'm on a project that requires it so there's some I want to get into detail but yeah it was a very heavily armored up vehicle with a a former special forces guy who is heavily armed to protect me but you know it's it's something I I don't it's necessary sometimes okay well Dr Steven Greer I really appreciate you sitting down with us for the second time uh definitely very interesting topics here that people have been wrestling with since the dawn of time and will continue to wrestle with until there is absolute proof one way or another um so I appreciate um the information you gave and I really want everyone to to take this and to do their own research and come to their own conclusions because there are ultimately a lot of unanswered questions out there there are and you know hopefully that an interview like this will have people asking more questions right and and digging into the you know digging into these answers themselves because sooner or later we will have some answers and hopefully with our and by the way anybody who's a whistleblower who has access to this information wants to come forward they should contact us because we have a mechanism for them to come out give the information to to the Congress and to the White House house okay and how do they contact you uh at our website you can put put it up there uh siriusdisclosure.com siriusdisclosure.com and there's a box there for military Witnesses uh and they can also contact me on our social media sites uh because we will monitor it for that as well that's what it is Dr Steph Greer appreciate the time and uh hopefully we will talk again once some more things come out and you know we get to pick your brain once again thank you let's do it again let me know if you come to DC we can go out and have fun let's do it all right care byebye peace