[Music] welcome back to the munich show featuring lenny the only nfl podcast one of the hosts favorite player left in the nba playoffs is johnny fury ben did you know that the pacers had a player named johnny fury yeah he's we have a group chat all the baby faces and so he and i we've been chatting for years yeah just dealing with all the jokes i'm aware of him yes johnny fury sounds like a madeup dog pun of a name and not a real name uh speaking of bay faces ben got the little tik tok hair going on new look i i see for the i've got the uh i've got the haven't had a haircut since the nfl draft which was the last time i had to be on screen look going right now last time wow okay so you are back today for a very important reason uh this is one of my favorite pods of the year we do it every year it is the top 10 offenses pod where we uh try to pick the top 10 offenses of 2025 uh i say this every year and even though we got a ton wrong but last year like i had the niners at the top who knew the entire team would get injured i didn't have them at the very top but i had them very high um offenses though are a lot more consistent yeartoear and that before we get to our rankings i'm going to talk about last year and all of that i think you and i were texting a little bit offline about like h are you having trouble picking your teams it's always like a little fuzzy at the end when you're deciding who's the last man in last man out but compared to defenses in which there's a lot of turnover a lot of chaos it's usually a pretty similar group not obviously every year but there's a lot of consistency year to year with top offenses yeah top 10 offenses is an exercise in exclusion not inclusion it's very easy to figure out who could belong right there's way more than 10 like you know i didn't think for a second about putting the dolphins on my list but you go and look at the dolphins like oh when tua is healthy they're the top offense for nba drop back you know like like there's so many ways to make offense work in the nfl so you have to winnow you have to cut you have to find reasons to get rid of teams as opposed to when you do top 10 defense it's like all right all these teams might have a weakness here a weakness there and that's an exercise in inclusion this is an exercise in exclusion that's exactly was my experience to making this where i felt like pretty clear top eight top seven then you're starting to debate a little bit and then i think you could really make a case for like 15 maybe even 16 teams the top half if things shake right for them so we'll at the end we'll talk about like the teams that just missed for both of us and we i'm can't imagine we have identical lists so uh we might have some that are on yours some that are on mine that aren't there's no crossover there's probably going to be a lot of crossover there uh and especially at the top or near the top by the way i've been listening to other top 10 pods top rankings pods i think i might be the only one that goes one to 10 instead of counting yes which is better i think it's better too variability at the end than at the beginning right and inevitably you end up talking a lot about 11 12 and 13 which is weird when you start at 10 and go the other direction and then you when you start at 10 and you go the other direction it's like well i'll get to them we'll get to them later and then you just end up talking about them whatever anyways okay i feel strongly agree that one through 10 is the best way to do top 10 pods um let's just jump right in here so um real before actually jump in i'm going to read you last year's top 10 offenses by dba ravens bills lions packers bengals commanders bucks chiefs niners rams just outside the top 10 cardinals chargers that one actually kind of took me by surprise eagles uh quick impressions of what because and you know there's a lot of other metrics i'm sure we're going to get into when we talk about these teams last year i'm just using dba to remind folks that's ftn fantasy's metric that accounts for opponent and is looking at basically how efficient an offense is how explosive they are everything it's all in based on a number of factors but opponent matters a lot which i think is why i like to use it first what do you think yeah the the dva the thing that surprised me the most was the niners making it at ninth niners were without question hardest team for me to deal with uh in terms of where i wanted to end up with them because there's so many reasons to just have blind faith in the 49ers and then there's a lot of reasons for deep deep deep uncertainty with this year's version of the 49ers and so that them actually like being quite good opponent adjusted i think that would have made niners fans feel better in week 17 week 18 last year but looking back on it now with kind of clear eyes you're like man they actually did a lot of good work relative to the hand they were dealt yeah the niners were outside the top 10 in both epa per play and success rate which are the and and i think that captures that's why it's surprising it's like okay wait if you account for opponent and they were of course the most injured team the other thing i would say is i feel like coming off the super bowl it might surprise people that the eagles were not a top 10 offense last year by basically any metric including dvoa which i think is interesting the chiefs also finishing eighth might surprise people because i think again we we remember these teams based on the last time we saw them and the last time we saw them the eagles looked like world beaters and the chiefs completely incompetent but it's not was not the case during the regular season all right enough said let's find out if we have the same number one overall pick the ravens yeah baltimore it's got to be all right uh so the ravens this is a good time to revisit last year oh my god they were an absolute wagon first in dvoa as i mentioned first in epa per play second in success rate so epa per play is accounting for explosives and whatnot success rate is more like are you moving the ball efficiently are you getting you know 40% on first down 60% on second down etc so they're good to look at together they were good at both they were first in explosive plays first in yards per play first in red zone rate they were first versus man coverage first versus zone coverage any way you slice it this was the best offense in football ben uh they are largely returning the same cast outside of the interior of the offensive line is there like did you have any doubts before putting the ravens as a number one offense i did for a little bit just because offensive line-wise even let's say they were returning patrick mccari who left in free agency for the jaguars i would still sit here and go like daniel fle a right guard he's not you know a a great starter he's got some weaknesses to him mari himself was not like you know lights out at guard and now it's andrew vorhees who initially had that left guard job ended up getting hurt losing it to mccari never really got back to it so i would have i would have said like you know offensive line relative to my number two team like it's a little bit of a doubt but the offensive line played well last year and when it didn't play well lamar was just such a preposterous pressure eraser right both in terms of extending the play for like a quarter of a second just to get that throw off or doing the lamar thing having the time to throw like three and a half seconds and just uh scrambling and creating and so on and so forth uh some uh more statistical content since since 2010 this offensive season for the ravens was the 14th best by epa per play the sixth best by epa per drop back of the last 15 seasons like this wasn't just like oh ravens are the best offense ravens were like a historically good drop back offense with zay flowers rashad baitman mark andrews and isaiah likely as the primary pass catchers like not guys who are going to get their names written in the hall of fame when when the careers end it was it was an unbelievable season for lamar jackson it was an unbelievable season for todd monkin and i think a big part of that passing down success is obviously what you get from derrick henry as well the only other reason for concern is that this was the healthiest offense last year i brought up the vorhees injury they replace him with mccari and they keep it chugging adjusted games lost has them at at 7.7 on the offensive side of the ball is the least for any team in football and so you're worried about some injury health progression but injuries is going to be a thing we worry about for every single team on this list so it's no reason not to put the ravens first the the way defenses have to make impossible decisions against this group as a whole is really captured in the data right the amount of times they face single high coverage stacked boxes which by the way a lot of the top five offenses are doing the same thing in the nfl right now and and forcing defenses to make those awful choices um is going to be consistent because lamar jackson is still there derk henry is still there i think this is a really good offensive line i really like these pass catchers and how they blend together especially in again this offense which we'll talk about in a second but it's that math that they make you do that is just going to stay the same and then on top of the math because there are other offenses that force you to stack the box force you to you know play single high but they don't have a quarterback who is capable of just punishing you every time not only um intermittently but consistently and that's sort of where we got with lamar jackson where he is deadly accurate now and he does not throw interceptions and he does not take sacks you mentioned something that i do want to hit on a little bit which is todd monkin um so that's another big part of why i have them as a number one offense todd mon was incredible last year and again you know i know he again he's given you know the best ingredients the chef could possibly work with and all of that but um there's a lot there's there when i was looking at some of the numbers i i started like noticing things that monkin did last season uh that i think are also a big part of why you know this came up a lot during the lamar mvp debate he has the most wide openen targets some of that is his gravity some of it is the pass catchers some of it is them respecting the run but a lot of it is todd monkin too and one of the things he did last year that i wanted to run by you or talk about with you so something that kind of drove me crazy with the ravens offense was they were not totally siloed but if they were 11 personnel which they've done more in recent years since early in lamar's career they were throwing the football they almost never ran and last year that came down really significantly where they were actually running the football with derrick henry now in the back field and the gun and more comfort there and i think he once again mixed up the variance in the personnel groupings like the offense is evolving is what i'm saying it is not what it was one year ago it is not what it was two years ago and i feel like i suddenly have like a strong degree of confidence in this guy todd monkin their offensive coordinator playing you know at a level commitate with what he has to work with yeah i you you brought up having like the right ingredients to cook with i think a lot of lesser offensive coordinators would struggle to juggle just how many guys there are on this team you want to use and the specific ways in which you want to use them you have a a running back in derrick henry who is unique in the league extremely challenging to deal with but you got to run him a certain way it's about getting the the the steam train rolling downhill it's about giving him that that that runway in the first level you have a running back two in justice hill who's a good pass blocker a good pass catcher how are we going to get him some of those designed quick screens those third and 15 big patron runs whatever we have a tight end room you got to fold patrick ricard in there a little bit obviously very unique player with a mark andrews with an isaiah likely two tight ends who are both good pass catchers but again you want to use them differently mark andrews is the guy you want on the on the verticals on the on the the seams and on the the drags and on the crossers likely you want running a little bit more breaking routes neither one you want blocking too much okay zay flowers great with the ball in his hands great with single coverage on the outside not necessarily the player you want operating over the middle of the field rashad baitman more of that bigger target who can take some of those those throws between the numbers and between the hashes like this is a lot of stuff going like these aren't plugandchug players here like all right let's run our system we know how this works ability like if you watch just just if you watch the ravens offense then you watch his other good offenses the ravens will just they'll they'll run concepts a little bit deeper because they know that lamar can extend the play for a little bit longer they'll run uh you know uh traps and whams out out of pistol the way that other teams don't because they want derrick henry to be going vertically they don't want him to be on on those zone tracks like it's just little stuff where i understand exactly who i have at my players and i'm not going to do nonsense that doesn't maximize them they there's no fat it's a very trim offense despite the fact there are so many mouths to feed that's a hard needle to thread man it really is and it all goes because of eight um because when you're wrong he just you know don't worry about it i'll solve this had i interviewed uh darius slay former eagle super bowl champion and i asked that'll be on youtube youtube.com and i asked him you're in the ac north now which offense is more challenging to defend the bengals or the ravens i actually thought he was going to say the bengals because of the receivers and he's a corner but he was like it's baltimore because you have to defend two plays in one and it's just it's a nightmare and with with greg roman they used to be bad on the chalkboard good in the playground and with todd monk they are good on the chalkboard and they're good in the playground it's just it's a headache and a half okay who do we have who do you have as number two do we have the same team i have the bills here yeah and and right it's it's your two mvp front runners your two top teams this the top two to me felt felt pretty secure i think three is where i first started to have debates last ball at three i think i think it's a curveball so i feel like my three is like a little bit of an island so we'll see uh bills last season second in epa per play second in points per drive second in in uh down set conversion rate which for those who don't know what percentage of your first downs are you turning into a new first down or or a touchdown right are you getting yourself new opportunities to go score so second all that 10th in success rate because they're a little bit reliant on the explosive play that's a little bit how that that passing game has gone we know that still 5% of josh allen is the old josh allen right where there's there's some some high variance there um but the bills offensive growth over the last couple of years really the joe brady era the thing that you keep coming back to is aaron cromer and this offensive line their ability to just hand off the football and they they they couldn't do this it it's so easy to forget in the brian dable era because dable's a hot coaching name and allen was was establishing himself but this team had a problem which is that they wanted to be four wide all the time and they couldn't just run the dag on ball when they got light boxes and when they needed to control game script and now they have a a five across offensive line who is not just like good talent across the board deion dawkins david edwards conor mcgovern osiris torren and spencer brown but last year they played 800 snaps together there's the second most continuous offensive line in the league they're all back this year and presumably james cook back like you're gonna be able to just keep on chugging with this running game they do the six offensive line stuff that ability to stay ahead of the sticks and to to not expose that at times high variance passing game to too many third and longs and to too many dropbacks is a really important new facet of this of this bills offense we talked a lot last season about how it was all about the revival of the running game and you heard about the eagles and the ravens and the packers because those are the teams that added the new running back but i'm telling you the bills were right there on that forefront in terms of we want to be good in the under center hand the ball off no rpo nonsense we were just going to give it and we're going to get downhill that's a big part of this offense so to me you expect them to be up league leaders once again fourth in rush dvoa top four in a lot of advanced metrics when you're looking at the run game i feel like the run game was like slept on for much of the season to be honest um but again this cuts to we were talking about the ravens if you have a dual threat quarterback who is special in other ways talk about in a second and then a dominant run game and a good offensive line it's just the math it's just a nightmare same thing with the bills um they fall below baltimore for me because i i do like the baltimore pass catchers a bit more talk about that in a second but the continuity here is tremendous across the board uh and keeping joe brady who i don't i feel like if things continue going the way they're going might be lost uh you know we i talked about him we did a top 10 future head coaches draft and i he was my first pick overall i just feel like he's he's going to be gone next year um he's going to be a head coach i i that in that moment i in that draft i talked about last week with michael gold jr i talked about the run game and how much they've leaned into it and how i was dead wrong i was like it's fine with ken dorsy and how they've evolved in the way that i think offense needs to evolve now but like he also i feel like did a lot the pass game was very chiefsy you know it's it's a very chiefsy last few years passing game where it's not it's they're good players they're not great players sorry and i thought he was really spectacular at finding ways to get the most out of the receivers he had and tight ends he had and also finding ways to get them open um one thing that i looked up because i was thinking like god i feel like every they were so good at using motion in the passing game and bunches and and and that was statistically borne out they were first leaguewide epa per play when they used any sort of pre- snap motion in the passing game mhm um or actually any not just passing game the offense when it was motion at the snap they're tied with the ravens but i just think like you know we're going to talk about some teams with coming up who have really really good pass catchers they're very similar to the ravens in that it's like okay they're pretty good but pretty good is enough because of the mask the quarterback and the play caller and you know i i wasn't that upset that they didn't really add at the pass catching group i mean there was a lot of i know brandon bean had his little like wow you know we're people are freaking out about our offense like yeah i would have loved to to add some speed i really would but like ben i don't i didn't this offense was amazing last year i didn't really feel like it was a huge need in the way that it made sense to me that they focused on defense yeah i the only way i can get myself worried about the receiver room if i'm like trying to is okay we you made the chiefs comparison this past game has come very chiefsy i agree the the thing that i think differentiates allen and mahomes in this style of an offense is that allen will a bit more bang his head against i'm going to throw the ball downfield than mahomes will mahomes has has so at first wonderfully and now a little bit too far accepted the reality of like being a checkown player and keeping the offense on schedule throwing the ball underneath allen will still be like you know he's still got that the green goblin mask in his head like chuck it dude chuck it chuck it chuck it down the field and last year they they brought in matt holland and mack was like weirdly good for them on some of those downfield targets they draft keon coleman coleman had some good success as like the 101 you know jump ball guy but if josh is still going to have that voice in the back of his head telling him to go i would like to feel better about the addition specifically down the field if they go and get josh palmer who the thing i would say about josh palmer is he's you know perfectly chromulent at a lot of stuff he's a little bit frustrating down the field khalil shakir who i think is is is excellent i think is so good it's just his quickness and his yards after the catch and he's tough to see breaking tackles he's just not the down the field player i wish i knew a little better who was going to be the recipient and the value player on some of those allen shots and if that's not going to be a huge part of your offense because like it's just not really in the roster i wish they had a little more personnel diversity um you know they they're obviously uh obviously but they used a ton of jumbo with a six offensive lineman and that was cool and effective for them but you know when they drafted dalton king k the thought was like "okay great now we can put two tight ends in the field and we can do like what some of these other ravens and the lions do and then they just don't do it right." and i think that's um there's a litany of reasons for that health has been a factor with both tight ends being on the field at the same time but also consistency cancade has been like good not great is how i would put it for them if he could take a leap forward and sort of be the first round draft pick and live up to the college the promise he showed in college as a guy who can really like stretch the seam and make difficult catches downfield up the middle that to me is what takes this offense to another level so yeah if you could pick between concade taking that leap or keon coleman taking that leap for this offense you would pick concaid you think because to me the player is coleman well coleman would be more useful but i i'm kind of more of a believer in concaid if i'm being honest still coleman guy he's still a coleman guy i mean look like we're nitpicking this is the number two offense in the nfl i am not concerned about them i think they're going to be excellent um again health is the only thing that i would say worries me all right ravensville is boring we both agreed yes i went back and forth on my top five i juggled them a few times i feel pretty good about the teams i have at three four five i move this team to three to just i don't know if it was like to be spicy or whatnot but i just i know i'm probably going to regret this i have the chiefs here all right i have the chiefs at four okay this is okay interesting who do you have at three it's not bengals you have the bengals i have the bengals at four okay so we're not we're not as cool as we thought we were we're not as being all rebellious um okay well let's talk about the chiefs first then we'll talk about the bengals and then maybe why we so i'm very uncomfortable uh giving my case for the kansas city chiefs because it is almost entirely predicated on rashid rice i i i don't know y'all i'm not a lawyer i don't understand what the heck's going on why i mean i do understand i think as i understand it they are waiting to suspend him until the courts do something but maybe somebody can explain to me the kind of protocol for that because obviously roger goodell does have the ability to uh step in at times and i i i i'm saying all this i don't know chiefs fans you're probably yelling non-ch fans you're yelling i it just i am just going to talk about the football right now and why if he's on the field it's such a difference maker and i say that i want to be clear i understand anyone who thinks it's like kind of crazy that he is because of what happened um so rashid rice from the halfway point of prior season to he until he got injured this year was fourth leaguewide in yards after the catch fourth league wide first pardon me fourth leaguewide in yards per route run the first three weeks in particular of this season if he is anything like he was in that period before again he got hurt not only is he like a truly it's funny because he we don't think of him as being like a traditional number one and whatever but in this offense he is he also compliment he's the missing piece for me last year like he is really great against zone coverage they need someone to step up in that role because travis kelce is obviously in the downturn of his career xavier worthy last year emerged as the guy versus man man they started using xavier worthy on those like outbreaking routes a lot xavier worth or richie rice is the inbreaking guy so like they complement each other i think in a way um where if you don't have him the inconsistency you're going to get from travis kelce at this point is a real problem so you know despite the fact that he was injured for most of the season and we were just constantly panicking about the chiefs offense as we discussed they were still top 10 in a lot of metrics patrick mahomes was still exceptional with his legs he was still exceptional on third down um the biggest question i have is about they were still by the way very they were top 10 seven they were seventh in success rate so this was not a particularly explo it was not an explosive offense at all but they were very good at just chugging along i'm sure yeah they're first in time of possession per drive yep um the big question mark is the offensive line and that gave me some pause uh you are now betting on jaylen moore at left tackle with kingsley suvataya moving into left guard we'll see what happens with josh simmons though coming back from injury but i just feel like last year was kind of like the nightmare year and if they got through the nightmare year and still finished as a top 10 or better offense it's hard for me to imagine them not taking a leap yeah i think you things that you expect to be sticky are things like success rate right are you creating positive players yes or no they were fifth in success rate on dropbacks they were ninth in success rate on design runs things you expect to be volatile are explosive play rate because that's the thing that you miss just by a shoestring of a tackle just by a ball slightly outstretched beyond xavier worthy's hands they were 28th in explosive pass rate and then they were 29th i want to say excuse me 30th in explosive rush rate and so like if if you're just asking me okay what was the stronger signal from the chiefs last year that the lack of explosives is going to stay and continue to the team or the ability to inch the ball down the field predicts some improvement in explosive play rate when they start to be a little bit more aggressive when they get a little bit more healthy it it's the second one like that's just statistically more likely narratively then anecdotally you go and you say okay they're 22nd adjusted games lost they lost rice for a large portion of the season they didn't have maris brown for a large portion of the season because of the preseason injury no yeah and they lost isaiah pacheco as well when pacheco came back he was clearly not back back and you end up with him and kareem hunt kind of being this very plotting style of a running game it just it it is intuitive to me that with a healthier year from bacho and with a return of maris brown with the return of rashi rice that this team should be better at creating explosive plays that their weapon should be a little bit scarier xavier worthy in year two a lot of the the year one role for xavier worthy was figuring out what he can and can't do at the nfl level and then kind of right sliding him him into some replace some of the rashy rice design touches he was became their screen guy right their motion guy so on and so forth when you reintroduce rice you draw the gravity of the defense now life becomes easier for travis kelce as the number two number three option going against the number two number three option for the defense not the number one guy anymore you make xavier worthy's life a little bit easier you can reintroduce some of the downfield stuff for him it's it's not mentally hard to get there right like it it all makes sense for the chiefs improving you trust patrick ms you trust andy reid yeah they should be a top five offense next year the bengals and the chiefs have the same problem which is they're both not good at running the football right they're and but not good the chiefs offense wasn't a dynamic run game but they were an efficient one until about halfway through the season and then of course in the super bowl it kind of all fell apart that they couldn't run because they were just doing screens and short the short passing game had basically supplemented supplanted pardon me the run game and then that became an issue in the super bowl when they couldn't pass protect and they couldn't run the ball the bengals i think have the same problem but the chiefs to me i feel like the interior of the offensive line the stability that they've chosen there with you know keeping uh trey smith in house that's actually a good question for you who do you think's gonna i feel like they're going to have a better run game personally than the bengals do you agree or disagree yeah and and i think that they did right like i said they had the good success rate numbers the low explosive numbers the bengals if you look after zack moss went down and chase brown became the starter last year they were 13th in success rate 15th in e paper play on design run so when they had chase brown they kind of got to a a good average enough of a rushing game to feel fine about it but the chiefs were still the chiefs their their their running game package with with the quick screen game the rpo game the package plays like that's just it's good enough it's been good enough they spent a couple of years there 21 and 22 figuring out how to become a shotgun running team and really actually make that work is hard to do at the nfl level without you know actually being an option team and making the quarterback pull the ball and they've gotten there they they've figured that out the the running game will improve in part because you know okay pco back and whatever but the more dangerous the screen game is and the more legitimately you have to fear rashi rice catching the ball four yards by the line of scrimmage that helps the running game as well from a box count perspective and i think again rice coming back to that obviously we're successful with worthy but rice coming back to that is going to be helpful i'm i'm worried about the left side of the line i am like i yeah there there's no way not to be i also have watched enough patrick mahomes even when it was like donovan smith and jawan taylor at tackle to be like okay he he he kind of knows how to color in these lines here a little bit such that i i'm i'm worried about it but i can't get too far worried about it unless we talk about like mahomes ankle injury in week three that kind of subsist over the course of the season the rice thing is so weird i don't know did you feel the same way when you're looking at the chiefs as i did where it's like "yeah i'm really optimistic about this based on the availability of this one wide receiver whose suspension is like vastly unclear like it feels hard to project but am i putting too much stock in him as a play?" setting aside that as a player do you think i'm overrating his importance to the offense at all no because he's the only big one and and that's the thing is is that with maris brown with xavier worthy you want to say "well throw xavier worthy a screen throw maris brown a quick pass they're fast they're quick they don't break tackles though they they they can break some angles they can outrun some guys but they have to run into the sideline they can't take on contact and the of of the many magics of travis kelce and patrick mahomes over the years because there's there's just 19 different things you can say about the chemistry and the adjusting of the routes and catching outside of the radius one thing about kelsey is when he catches that little eight yard button hook he's got eyes out the back of his head side of his head out his butt like he's just he just he has such a feel for where the safety's going to go linebacker's going to go and he had the ability to turn up field and break some tackles make some guys miss rasheed rice it's not just oh you brought up the yards of the catch number fourth highest you know back half of last year now into the injury it's not sorry i was first i i not just because he's an explosive mover and whatever it's because he is big enough to take contact over the middle of the field and so you reintroduce that 8 to 15 yard between the hashes area that they lost last year i chose that i i did second half of the season because that's when they really started activating him on crossers and crossers are such an important part of this chiefs offense and it was missing consistently last year if you're going to do all that eye can all that yanking on linebackers right rpo's and somebody's got to occupy that space yeah well you want to kill them with this one behind them yeah so why did you have so i i had the bengals fourth so again we're nitpicking here this they're very close why did you have them above the chiefs let's look at it through that lens i like one of the things i did for the exercise was just kind of go through and try to identify elite players right and say "okay who's got elite guys?" and just i look at joe burrow throwing to jamar chase and t higgins and i go "man like i it's too good it's it's it's hacking it's it's it's deeply unfair but it's it is they're the only team i've got that has an elite quarterback throwing to an elite wide receiver." and then i have i have t is like near elite very good but to me t is one of the 15 best receivers in football and he's wide receiver too for this team and you see how valuable he is in games like that broncos game last year where it's pat certan against jamar chase the broncos defense is predicated on the idea that because we have a patrick certan we can make you play left-handed in a way that no other defense can and the bengals just kind of go lol and throw the ball to t higgins a bunch like it's it's it's just not fair um last year from week nine on again so zach moss gets hurt chase brown becomes the starter and this also includes most t higgins games because he he missed a stretch there in the middle of the season from week nine on the bengals were first in success rate sixth in epa per play sixth in points per drive third in downset conversion rate they were without question one of the five best offenses in football brown i i i think is a very important they've got a nice little piece here in chase brown and one of the things that's has been frustrating about the bengals offenses in the past is it's been joe t chase and then after it's been a cliff and i think the play of andre yoso yeah right andre yosvas mike cassiki having an actual guy at tight end something they've been missing for a while and then obviously they had the joe mixon years and the handoff ability but chase brown when he was the the full-time starter he was averaging five catches for 37 yards a game they really got the the running back target involved and the screen game involved in a way you hadn't seen previously with the bengals i thought that was a nice new wrinkle to this offense it's just it's one of the scariest passing attacks in football it the players are too good and they've been playing together for too long it's really really hard to like actually stop this passing game casiki is the interesting mention because you talked about kind of new wrinkles in the offense there was a point before eric all got hurt who was the rookie tight end um where they were using a lot of two tight end sets for the first time i believe in joe burrow's career and they were kind of good at it i i was looking at some of the numbers uh third leaguewide in epa per play using 12 personnel and notably they were decent at running the ball out of that because they're the cincinnati bengals if you have two tight ends and those two receivers on the field teams are still going to play you light if demar chase on the field you are going to be played light right you're going to be played with face a lot of shell coverage you're going to face a lot of lighter dps they actually uh had 09 epa per play running the ball with two tight ends on the field which is very good and very good for the cincinnati bengals so they were kind of landing on something there where like the offense became a little bit less siloed a little bit less like all we can do is throw the ball out all over the yard um and then he got hurt and they had to kind of go away from it but that's something i'm interested in seeing this year if they continue going down that path of you putting because they're not going formationally they're not going to change that much but if they can use a little bit more tight ends kind of mix it up a little bit i think they can get something going in the run game that way yeah and they they had they have sample and then they had tanner hudson right they have like depth at tight end is their blocking is right as is a blocking guy for them and so they i think they have enough pieces to do it and and to not it's not like a total sellout like i think about the vikings where when the vikings put like johnny munt and and josh oliver on the field you're kind of like okay well we know the score like and neither sample nor giki holds a candle to josh oliver as a blocker but they it's the versatility it's the ability to actually get into pass from that that i think is valuable the the i initially had the bengals quite lower because the guard situation highly highly concerns me right where it's it's cordell volen who had a restructured veteran contract this year uh fighting out the left guard spot with dylan fairchild who's a third round pick out out of georgia right guard you expect lucas patrick and cody ford fighting for that spot that's pretty dire and then i remember that the guard situation's been dire for the bengals the last like two and a half years right like wilson i think has always been a player that you've seen opposing defenses attack obviously alex kappa leaves and he gets cut it's not for easy he gets released and he goes to the raiders but some of the late play from kappa especially last season you know was a problem for this team uh i think they they have consigned themselves to deal with just not having the best interior pass production and they they again they kind of know how to wiggle around that um i'm very interested to see this second year of dan pitcher you saw some of the 12 personnel with the tight end last year you saw them start to evolve the back in the passing game more than they have previously i'm very excited to see year two of this specifically having successfully kept t higgins in the building they're jamar and t are actually going to practice this year like there's a lot of worlds where the bengals slow september starts doesn't happen this year and the bengals are just out of the gate putting 35 up on everybody right away it's a very scary group one more thing for the bengals that made me have them fourth uh in a positive way gave up a lot of fumbles last year 29th leaguewide in fumbles lost that tends to not be a sticky stat so it's something you look at as something where the luck is likely to turn and that could help the offense all right we're at five halfway through this uh after this i have the detroit lions here i have the lions here too i'm very upset that this is going as chalky because i feel like it's not chalky i feel like it's very hard to place the lions we haven't talked about our picks at all this is funny um okay so lions fans if you're at home you're like five the fact that you lost one of the three best offensive coordinators in football and one of the best centers in the league and you only dropped from three to five is a testament to the talent elsewhere on this team i want i know i'm starting from like a defensive crouch here but like five is still really good for any team losing in the nfc right the first four from your afc like this is still i think it's up there you know we talked about like monin and brady and uh obviously andy reid is and then the bengals are still there yeah you you were the first team who is losing an offensive coordinator who is this high so i just it's a really big deal it is concerning um because otherwise this is you know a wagon like an unbelievable football i mean they were top three in every meaningful stat i should stop saying meaningful um and you know they they have like this very unique identity obviously they're the most underenter play actionheavy team in football they run in a variety of ways they put big bodies on the field they mix things up they'll kill you in man coverage it's a perfect scheme for jared goff's skill set um there's you really can't outside of the interior of the offensive line and the play caller which we should talk about this i have no issues with like there's it's they they should be as good as ever been the uh they will average last year 3.02 points per drive in the regular season they are only the f fourth offense since 2000 with at least three points per drive the 2007 patriots might have heard of them pretty good 2018 chiefs and 2022 chiefs so two two of the early mahomes years the ' 07 patriots and then these last lines averaging over three points per drive last season that is a testament to aggressiveness on fourth down that is a testament to third down design and red zone design they are excellent in the red zone the the david montgomery aspect of that the ability to run the football in those short yardage situations the aman st brown separation but then also the strength interior offensive line in which now frank ragnau is retiring in which a right guard kevin zitler left in free agency and also a lot of the design stuff right you think about where some of those whly gig plays come in in the low red zone and the high red zone from ben johnson you're losing some of that and so it is it is impossible to not discount a team losing two starting interior players of the quality that ragno and zyler were especially with you're expecting right now rookie second rounder tate ratlage is right now the leader in the clubhouse to take the center job he did not snap in college he was a guard starter in college and you're thinking potentially 2024 sixthrounder christian mahogany taking right guard it's not like he looked great when he played last year but next to right it's just it's not like it's different you've plugged and chugged with veterans it's you're you're you're a little bit you you know capwise you have to start making some of these decisions and the lines are here kind of trying to get a little bit cheaper along the offensive line and you got to remember offensive line we always talk about is a weak link system right you have a great tackle duo in taylor decker and penny su and when your interior offensive line is good it really maximizes that that that duo but if i know i can beat you over the center of the right guard the value of your tackles diminishes just because okay they're doing great in pass protection but i'm still getting pressure because i'm i'm on your rookie center right and then the last thing to consider here you get ben johnson and morton's been on the staff before he's worked with jared goff he knows you know kind of where the bread has buttered whatever i have been so impressed by jared goff i i have been just blown away by the jared goff career resurgence in detroit i think it's been one of the coolest storylines of the last few years but i would be lying to you if there wasn't a little voice in the back of my head that said this guy was bad before shawn mcvey and then shawn mcb made him very good the league caught up and and and and play fell off a cliff then he got to detroit he got ben johnson ben johnson made him look really good and now he's losing ben johnson like that again he's he's not the guy he was in 2018 2019 2020 he is remarkably better he has improved in so many ways i also saw the commander game like i know there's still a little piece of jared goff that i'll forever be suspicious of and doubt because of what his career arc has been and so now him getting a coordinator like morton who is just not a rarified air sort of a dude i i would be lying to you if i said there wasn't a little worry in my chest as to what version of jared golf we're about to get in 2025 we don't really know anything about john morton right i mean he was uh he was an offensive assistant with the the lions three years ago or two 2022 connection there and then since then he was been with the broncos he's shawn payeyton guy um he's a little bit of a colt hero because he was the oc for the 2017 jets which i think pretty sure was like a macau year and they were like kind of doing some cool like play action stuff they're like the the the deep cut nerds kind of love a john morton but it's very much like you know you haven't heard of this band yet thing yeah so we're not gonna like i'm not gonna just see it right there's just uncertainty there um i think that lions like have this reputation deservedly as being a team that just punches you in the mouth and they'll get downhill and they're physical and they've got you know it's an identity that goes to their their wide receiver one is like maybe the most what is i've seen them compared to a volkswagen beetle on the wrestling like they're just um they're like kind of old school in reputation but make no mistakes this is one of the most schemed up offenses in football um the you know it's not just the trick plays like the run game is so complicated that's like this is they do so many different things there's so the way they use motion to displace second defenders was so creative and so effective so it's just i don't think you can overstate like the potential impact this could have but again we talk about the ingredients these pass catchers rock i love that they kept tim patrick uh by the way as their wide receiver three i think he's such a great player for this offense tight ends leaporta i mean asb healthy la season because leaporta was just you could tell like less than 100% last year be very nice i do think yeah talking about that that offensive line scheme and and and your your question marks there the they kept hank freillley who's the offensive line coach running game coordinator and hank freillley and tanner angstrren who were was the passing game coordinator last year both those guys were taking oc interviews and hank was the one they kept they got to keep in the building and i think that was the priority and now they have the two young starters in the offensive line if you if you tell me all right ben the the the lions led the league in ep paper play last year and guess what they do it again in 2025 you know what happened why i think the first answer out of my mouth would be that freillley gets the young offensive lineman right quick and they don't lose a step in the running game and that to me that's the first fulcrum that the lions retaining offensive dominance kind of tilts on is is is freighley's job with those young guys and keeping that that running game like you said it's a very diverse running game there's a lot of adjustments in that running game it's a very well coached group and freley stays the big deal that's a good point one of my favorite stats about the lions last year that i think bodess well for them moving forward um they had the lowest distance to go on third down in the nfl um and this is a team that uses all four downs and is willing to actually run the ball on third down even if it's like third and six knowing that they're going to go for it in fourth down uh so it's funny we talk about changing the math spatially with your run game they also changed the math in terms of the way they play force defenses to play them because of their tendencies because of that ability to run the ball so well in early downs um i i still think they're gonna be good i just we knocked them down if they had kept it's interesting thought experiment if they kept ben johnson i probably would have had them third still i might have even had him higher like i just i i think i know it's it's hackne now to be like wow ben johnson because we started talking about him in 2022 but it's easy to forget like dude wow ben johnson even going back and watching this is it's such a good offense from a from a chalkboard perspective um and even if you nail the oc higher afterward you're probably going to get some falloff from that let's take a quick break come back i have one other north team on my list will they be next listen and see all right ben who is your sixth sixth overall pick uh because we had the exact same top five only switching the chiefs and bengals in different order six is where i started to struggle where i was like "okay i can get like nine different teams here." i have the eagles here i think that that this is like it's a little bit of a deviation from the way that i ranked some of the other teams because if you go and you look back last year as you brought up eagles not top 10 in dvoa they were 16th in success rate now they're sixth in eight paper play they're seventh in points per drive it's still like a good offense overall but it's not like oh statistical dominance you know there are some teams i have lower that were better last year by most offensive metrics and still retained a lot of their pieces right the thing about the eagles is that while they are not as well balanced and well-rounded right like the success rate is kind of low you know you don't super trust them relative to some other teams in in clear third and longs and when they're trailing and so on and so forth the formula is just really really really really hard to stop and that's what last season came down to for them on offense it was okay like everybody knows our quarterback might take some bad sacks you know everybody knows we're not great on third and eight but we're just so don good at running the football that it we can minimize the impact of that for our team they were second epa per design uh designed rush last season only to baltimore they missed out on it by by a thin thin margin their only major departure from a player perspective is mai beckton who played guard for them was a big road grading guard but remember when they went and they signed mai beckton he was going to be like a swing tackle for them and they kind of made him work there at guard they have tyler steen who's a third round pick in 23 who they expect to kind of step in and take over that job uh obviously the offensive coordinator changed kell moore one year in the building now he's gone to be the head coach of the saints kevin patula who's an an internal promotion steps in and there's some question mark uncertainty because we've seen like when shane stiken left oh like promote brian johnson and then like everything fell apart you know the uh the offensive coordinator uncertainty can really like hamper this offense we've seen that happen historically but the last time it happened there was no squan there was no just press the big red button press the big red button and and just that ability to control pace control down in distance obviously the tush push stays it feels like a really hard offense to mess up from an x's and o's perspective they don't run a lot of concepts they're not very versatile in their formations they don't use a lot of motion like this is not one that's schemed up it's just our 11 are better than your 11 and we're and we're going to hammer that home and home and home and so i think the eagles still deserve to be mentioned in this group they have their warts for starting to get to the warts section um but what they do well in terms of the fourth down conversions the running game involving herz hand off to barkley they just do so so well so i had the eagles seventh i have a different team at six so again not that far off um i dinged them for the coaching change that was kind of ultimately the deciding factor versus my six team um you already kind of eight mileiled me a little bit defending uh some of the uh uh the hire and how we're not it's not going to be ryan johnson 2.0 and whatnot but i think um where i get concerned about the coaching change is not like you know kellen moore gave jaylen hart the answers versus the blitz he went from being like a below average quarterback versus blitz to having like first qbr against blitz in the entire nfl right um i think like you said having saquon there helps solve a lot i think my issue though is like with you know you the reason why so let's back this up a little bit the reason why the eagles didn't finish super high over the course of the season in a lot of and then they finished really really strong is they peaked at the right time they were all healthy at the right time the quarterback played the best football at the very end of the season as well where i worry about the coaching changes well what happens if you take out an aj brown like we saw last year or elaine johnson is injured like okay do you have a coordinator who can coach around that because like you said so much of this offense is just based on being more talented at every position right i realize that sounds likeing you know but it's football it's going to happen somebody's going to go out so when that person if one of the important players gets lost this year you know that's where i start to worry a little bit um you know otherwise like yeah like i think um just top to bottom the continuity the talent the numbers the way they do the thing that we talked about at the beginning where they change the way you know defenses have to respect the run so much it opens up the pass this is certainly a theme with a lot of these offenses it's really hard to pick nets um so i i i i kind of was surprised when i look back and i was like "wow this offense wasn't as good over the course of the regular season as they felt to me by the end ben which i thought was kind of interesting." yeah no you're you're absolutely correct with peaked at the right time they had the early season injuries they had the early season buy they were buy in week five and then they came out of that really strong herz only attempted 54 passes last year trailing in the second half it's the 10th fewest for any quarterback with at least 300 attempts since 2010 like that he just didn't need to do it of those 54 attempts 45 came in the first four weeks and then after week five he attempted nine passes trailing in the second half they just didn't get to positions from a health perspective right they lost dallas there in the middle of the season but other than that like not a lot of injuries they didn't get there from a health perspective or from an opponent perspective where we consistently saw what this offense looked like when pressed they just had such wonderful delightful command over game state and game script which they deserve credit for it's a sign of a good offense the the nit that i would throw in there to pick right the concern that i would have would be that saquon barkley had like 420 touches over the course of of the regular season and in the playoffs it was 480 i want to say over the course of the of the regular season and the postseason they just they used him so so so much and when you go and you look at backs who had at least 400 touch seasons again including postseason because we're talking about the way usage accumulates on a guy tim mcmanus just wrote about this uh for espn about barkley but backs with at least 400 touches the next season tends to see a decline in efficiency and also a decline in availability right christian mccaffrey our most recent example um from 2019 into 2020 uh he played 16 games then he only played three coming out of that he almost had 400 touches 23 into 24 we know he missed timed that season as well with usage injuries 2017 le'veon bell fell off 2014 demarco murray fell off 20 2009 chris johnson 5.6 yards per rush to 4.3 yards per rush when you have a player used this heavily his next season he just starts at less than 100% and so i talked a lot about how that big red saquon barkley button just really simplifies this offense they go through a lot less decision- making and scheming stuff around because like that running game is so good well if squin comes out this season just is is is in and out of the tub because he's dealing with usage injuries just is not as fast as he was the past season then right you start to see that strain you were talking about how much can the coordinator coach around this how much creativity can we find yeah they there's such a great illustration of this concept of like just forcing defenses into impossible choices um this was an offense that was much better against man coverage than zone coverage last year quarterback is much better right jaylen herz's best ball is the go ball down the sideline again you know when he gets the one-on- ones but um so you're like well why would teams not just play more zone well they can't because this is they ran the ball into too high the highest rate in the nfl last year and light boxes so they face the second most single high coverage like it it's just you're they are the ultimate you're the ravens are as well you're damned if you do you're damned if you don't offense and that doesn't change unless you take out a piece so i might be like picking this to say like oh what happens if they lose a guy um but i think the other thing i'll add is like they're not that deep at a lot of these positions which they're they're very very talented you have aj dylan will shipley behind saquon right um tight end group is not deep behind the third wide receiver is always a question mark on this team again this is that is truly pickiness but i would argue that that depth matters more for this team because the premise of the offense is talent not skill yeah that's very well said i definitely like if you if you compare the eagles to the ravens and the bills who had one and two and you say all three teams lose their wide receiver one there is no question that the loss of asia brown dramatically impacts the eagles more than the loss of khalil shakira z flowers does just because of the way those teams are constructed and we don't know who's going to get hurt but it does make the eagles build more frail it absolutely does all right so the team that i had six is a team that lost to the eagles in the playoffs they're rivals in tush push uh their week one matchup i have the green bay packers here packers are eight for me okay interesting um there's a lot that went into this for me when we did the quarterback draft i explained why i just can't quit jordan love i just can't quit him he has his flaws and i say the number one of which is just making bad decisions under pressure and throwing goofy interceptions still finished fourth in dvoa last year by the way talk about um i think that this offense is we were talking about like the frailty i don't think this offense is frail i think it is very schemed up they have a very good play caller who is going to he's their head coach so they have that as an advantage there's continuity there um and i think it's a group of pass catchers that i believe is going to be better this year i think i i've talked about the addition of matthew golden and what he does for this offense i actually matthew golden doesn't have to be a world beater for this offense to benefit from adding a wide receiver with his skill set i really believe that i think there's also just like really slept on pieces i mean we know josh jacobs was excellent last season and the run game was quite good quite um when you look you start digging into numbers you're like oh this is a lot third by the way in rush tv oh my god uh but like then you suddenly look at the tight end group and you're like wow this can okay actually you know take let's take a pause moment i love tucker craft yeah love tucker craft so look at this packers group again uh there's no one on here who is top 10 at their position i maybe well craft is an interesting one but like i would say like by the end of this upcoming year like you know high more usage whatever but no i literally the first thing on my notes is good not elite everywhere they're the only team i have on my top 10 who is above average in every single category quarterback play call running back offline wide receiver and tight end it's just everything is just good so well put there's a lot of good and if you have a lot of good your floor is high enough to where if one of these guys breaks out you can be great i think matthew golden has that ability i think jordan love has that ability the run game already but craft um is such a throwback and you know he's i first of all he actually was second yards per route run behind only george kd which is funny because he has like this extremely low average depth of target but he was just such a human monster truck uh after the catch that he ended up being extremely productive for them and he's still this is year three right so like you know healthy musk grades would help but i like this group of pass catchers i really do i think they're good i and it doesn't actually bother me that they don't have anyone who's truly elite so i wanted to ask you about that because you said right i i you said i i think that golden could be really good for this team even if he isn't like a elite wide receiver one i definitely subscribe to the the the normie take which is like i really wish this team had like a clear you know big wide receiver one i'm very big on like postseason football i want guys who the other team cannot deal with i want like legit scale tipping field tipping players so why for you is golden like all right golden's just like the field stretching type why does that still work for you with this group because it's offense was already efficient last year the year before last year in the second half of the season they were like top three offense in the nfl right but and honestly if you take out love it's the interceptions and drops is why they weren't good which are things that i he can get better at yeah just regress period right they can just statistically get get to a better spot uh he his first year was much better at that i think avoiding some of those interceptions under pressure so you already have proof case study for this offense being a top five offense um you have a quarterback who loves to throw deep and an offensive player who would dial it up for him at times christian watson has been that for him but if matthew golden can be the big play guy he was in college in this offense who's more explosive let's go i mean the bengals look at this list you know we're talking about the ravens not the bills and the chiefs yeah i know they were third in explosive pass rate last year the the the packers were right like their ability to rip off the chunks is is is very very serious and it's a big part of that is having a primary okay our primary deep guy is christian watson you know safeties know wherever where does nine light up their speed at three and be worried about it but then jaden reed can make the big catch 20 yards down the field and he can turn the five yard shallow into a big run and then oh blow tucker craft on the tight end delay is going to break two tackles like the fact that they have guys on guys is part of what allows everybody fits together everybody fits together and by the way again this is this rush game run game was third in dva last year little bit of concern maybe with the offensive line once again they're reshuffling a bit and i don't know what's going on with ellen jenkins but if you tell me you have a quarterback who is has thrown threw some interceptions last year but at his peaks can play i i really believe at a top five level you have a run game that's top five in the league and you have an explosive passing attack why can't this be a top five offense yeah so i i'll uh i'll give you one more reason for excitement and then i'll give you my two reasons for concern the the other thing that stood out to me about the packers is uh you brought up the lions and that that third down how close they were right to the sticks the packers were pretty below average on third down last year relative to the distance that they faced they were uh sixth in the league in yards to go on third down they were quite close to the sticks only 15th in conversion rate and so if you just as a team let that regress you you continue to rely on that that excellent running game i thought they were so good jacob last year was excellent the design of the running game was great right they had the malik willis games as well which kind of adds to some of that that running game numbers but still shows you how versatile they can be uh if you get close to the sticks and you're a little bit better on third down and some of that is love not shooting but taking the the intermediate throw instead of the deep throw taking the check down letting a guy get a first down for him then you can just get a better downside conversion rate you can stay on the field a little bit longer the other side of that coin the reason why i always have a little bit of hesitation with the packers is because they're very reliant on explosives right they were third in explosive pass rate 15th in drop back success rate and so we're creating a big chunks we are paying a cost for it in terms of our our snap to snap ability they were fourth in explosive run rate and then 10th in rush success rate is objectively a good running game but they have they the the the clear mantra for this this this offense the dogma is explosives right we big long play action drop backs we are going to hit big plays and love uh i'm with you on the potential i always find myself a little bit below the consensus you know football nerd excitement for jordan love because there are just layup plays that because he doesn't want to nail his feet to the ground and because he doesn't want to to to take the humble game that he leaves on the field that does like some of these the packers always have like three or four games a year where the offense just kind of like just just just just comes out and lays an egg because they're chasing these explosives and they don't get into rhythms at all in the passing game outside of jared goff jordan love is the only quarterback this is spoiling a little bit on my list in terms of my top 10 offenses who doesn't consistently scramble every other team has a scrambling a quarterback who is willing to oh that's interesting take those you're trying to project ahead no i have i have a team that definitely does not have a scrambling quarterback okay may i don't think i'm missing anyone uh you didn't have the dolphins in your top 10 no please okay so anyways this cuts to me though cuts to what you're saying with some with jordan love i have really two frustrations one of which is bad decision- making trying to do too much not taking some of the easy gains and i think that contributes to the success rate issue you're talking about just the efficiency of the offense the explosive hunting the other is like his unwillingness to scramble makes it significantly easier for defenses to approach him you know i i don't have in front of me but they faced you know they probably more cover two man i would guess than a fair amount of these teams on this list if he is just willing to scramble for just jordan third and five man just give me those six yards i really believe that solves a lot of their issues combined with stretch the field because they've got guys who can work underneath in the passing game again i talked by the way tucker craft i first league wide in yards after catch per reception amongst tight ends the dude was a tonka trunk and you said he was second only to george kd in yards per out run and that's cuz like the niners get george kd down the field you can't tell me when kd when when craft makes a catch at the line of scrimmage he doesn't look like kd he absolutely 100% in terms of like prime kd truck stuff it's very similar and then when he even the way he after the play is over he acts like yes he's just like a deeply insane man yes i love watching him play all the pieces are there that's just what i'm saying with the packers all the i i really think they've got the pieces in place just a few little tweaks jordan love yep just saying if love if love grows up it's it's it's rocket ships but there's some growing to do um okay who did you have so so i had the packers and the eagles you said you had the packers eight which means you had a different team at seven yep eagles were six for me packers were eight for me i had the buccaneers at seven which i don't know if that surprised you because we were talking beforehand you're like "oh did the buccaneers sneak into your top 10?" i had to be like "oh like they they very much cleared my top 10." um i have the bucks at 10 so spoiler alert so they are in my top 10 uh and i watched a lot of they're probably actually the team i ended up watching the most while doing prep for this i don't know why i just felt like i needed to revisit some because the numbers are so insane for them and i feel like slept on how good they were last year so i wanted to go back and watch okay what was it like what am i forgetting numbers for you they were top five in all of success rate ep per play points per drive and downside conversion rate one of three offenses to be top five in all of those metrics they were the best offense in the league in terms of third down conversion rate converted on 50.4% of their third down conversions despite having the 16th yards to go on third down right now you might say ben that screams regression to the mean that screams that's got to come back down but a little fun nugget for you new offensive coordinator josh grizzard who's stepping into liam cohen's shoes who's departed was the third down guy last year he designed the third down offense it was the best third down offense in football you go and you watch some of their designer stuff their third down and their red zone situational football i mean they are with gas cooking it is a very cool offense from the motions perspectives and the way they're getting multiple routes available down the field they're simplifying reads for baker the the late checkdown stuff some of the the tight end release and the running backs that rashad way or bucky irving like they just they they had a lot of pitches in their bag in terms of getting you know that that that got to have it play in the high red zone or on third down and i think a when a team is really good situationally that is indicative to me of a good offensive staff that's where a lot of the pass game coordinators and the quality control guys get involved and so liam cohen departs grizzard steps in grizzard's kind of this unknown guy he's 34 he's never called plays before there's a wide range of outcomes but reading the tea leaves i'm willing to have some faith in a guy who spent like three years under mike mcdaniel and then helped the buccaneers and baker mayfield have one of his best passing games of his career besides cohen there are no departures they are returning mina all 11 starters on offense from a team that was top five in every single offensive metric that we have they drafted amika in the first round to just be the 12th new guy like it is if it's so hard to not design an offense well for these weapons it's just so it's so simple the line is so good i i'm i'm all in on the box uh start with the positives before i get to why i ended up they're so in my top 10 do you have them seven i have them 10 um so obviously saw a lot of the same numbers as you i was just i went back and watched the run game for a while uh because it's funny they they don't the offensive line doesn't come up super high and like run block they're high but they're not like they don't come up as dominant they're dominant uh they were destroying teams and i loved watching once they pivoted to more of a gap scheme game to accommodate bucky irving it's like teach tape like some of the rep the the just joy a joy to watch them run duo bucky irving on the gap stuff like the counter runs too like he has such i might post some clips because i just ended up saving so many of them his vision is so exceptional on those runs and then the his ability to make guys miss in a phone booth it's such a beautiful 37% miss tackle rate bucky irving it's such a beautiful um combination of offensive line and back like you love it when the back the scheme the line it's all working together um i hit nate about this graham barton oh my god y what a home run of a draft pick that dude freaking rocks but the whole offensive line was good even there's a game where like i was watch there were just so that's all going to stay the same like you said it's it's the same and it's such a great ecosystem for baker mayfield who we've seen over his career when he is kept clean he's an accurate quarterback he is a a scrambler um i hope you were including him in the scramblers we were talking about that he um i thought you know he did he was throwing the ball at the fastest rate he ever has last season the only thing that really i where they don't come up well and and that hurt them was he threw interceptions and i think like if i had hesitation it's for the same reason that you talked about with the lions which is i've seen this quarterback before with different coaches yeah i liam cohen was so good like that was i was just i mean i know you're saying grizzard was responsible for third down but like he liam cohen was so good at not just um getting baker to play well but i thought game plan specific evolving the offense guys were in i mean they didn't have chris godwin for freaking the entire half of the season and so i'm just like okay you're bringing in a it's a different offensive quarter i know he's in the building this is a quarterback who until last year you know was pretty inconsistent over the course of his career i have to ding them for that combination of like sort of shaky quarterback and then and not sh he's good but i'm just saying and then the loss of the coordinator so that was it for me but like i i could look have total egg on my face because if look if you're betting on teams based on offensive line they absolutely belong in the top seven this offensive line is great they're young they're well coached and they uh kept their coach so who buddy by the way josh grizzard pulled up his wikipedia uh is a yelra grad but also bulldogs yeah bulldogs yeah there we go more funnly his name is from a he's from a town called lizard lick so his name is josh grizzard and he's from lizard lake which is very weird um we'll see man i mean this is i should have drafted him on head coaches because this is he is being given the keys to the kingdom here with this offense yeah he's i think if if you if you made me list like firsttime coaches coordinators like who have like the world in their hands right like everything is is in their ability it's either him or nick kay the texans oc but like if if grizzard is what he sounds like he's built as like everybody thinks like this is the next dude like this is a highly impressive guy then yeah like the the the buccaneers offense should like it feels too far to say pick up where they left off but but we bring up the i've seen baker mayfield with other coordinators i've seen jared g other coordinators i've seen a few liam con offenses in my day i saw liam con at kentucky i saw liam con the year that that he was coaching for the rams i tell you i i i liam con his one year was a very good year how much of that is him and how much that fair totally fair the players are the ones who make it go and they have really good players the receiving group is incredible and they double down perhaps unnecessarily adding another receiver a lot of this is just like what regresses right mayfield had 13 fumbles only lost two of them right okay so maybe that's gonna go but he also they had 25 drops last year so what if some of those get caught like there's mayfield's mayfield's really high in a lot of like big time throw stat turnover worthy play stat third deck conversion it's like okay something's going to stick something's going to fall and and and there's some variance there but i trust the ancillary cast so much can we go back to bucky irving for a second i forgot the stat um okay so the success rate which we talk about we use a lot with running how efficient run game like a very good run game success rate is like high 40s like that's that's good right a good you know when the bait when the the bucks had two backs on the field irving and white they had a 60% success rate which is first in the nfl they did cool cool cool stuff the screens the screen that oh my god the screen motion out of the back field and they would relocate a linebacker they have a and one of the other cool things is that like when they lost godwin they lost the let's plug the wide receiver into the run fit blocking dude and with godwin back you can just be a lot more versatile is assuming god comes back healthy what have you uh but if godwin's not back that's something that buuku did really well ohio state excellent excellent blocker i think again like screen game was a huge part of the success for this team i think you could see that fall off with the departure of cohen but the pieces are there where again if grizzard is is just knows what he's doing you should be there luka on screens come on okay uh so that's your one through eight mhm you've got eight so i've got um 8 n 10 left but we know my 10 my number eight san francisco 49ers i have the 49ers at 11 they are my first out okay so okay so good finally we got some variance here um part of this is because even though the ners i don't even know what to compare them to it was like have you seen you haven't seen the movie novacane i haven't even heard of the movie novaane man like i got nothing for you one what they went through last year the amount of players they lost was just like it got to the point where it was like this is a bit right like somebody's doing a bit like this is i can't imagine what it's like to be a niners fan and yet despite they were the most injured team in football despite that still finished top 10 in dvoa 12th in epa 12th in success rate um tons of explosives hilariously right they were uh third in percentage of plays that went over 10 yards uh they lost a lot of plays and second in yards per play um so i guess we have to start there i feel like last year was the hell year i and you come back from that that even in your hell year you didn't fall outside the top 12 you retain kanahan of course you get trent williams back you get brandon aayuk back i thought ricky purisol quietly showed some stuff in his limited outing uh his outing towards the end of the season obviously missed the beginning of the year because he was shot who knows how much you're going to get from i know it's crazy thing to say chris had a hamstring injury but it's a way funnier bar if you just land on because he got shot horrible i'm sorry um they actually have decent depth too they demarcus robinson jacob cowing jawan jennings is still there but it's kyle shanahan like how am i i you you're betting on kyle shanahan not calling a top 10 offense in the nfl ben i want to say two times in the last six years i was going back and looking at like real quick at his uh his previous numbers 49ers it it feels bad i don't like how it feels especially with the team that i have at nine honestly that that was the team that that ended up scaring me the most year relative to the coordinator stuff uh but there's just there's so much uncertainty it's just so hard to have faith in mccaffrey back healthy brandon iayuk returning back healthy from a a pretty traumatic knee injury enough games of trent williams enough games of george kd enough high-c caliber play from brock birdie and then also the rest of this offensive line like it there's there's one certainty and it is that kyle shanahan is good and that at every other position i have reasons for moderate to severe doubt every other position yes can i give you some george kd stats when he played when he played let me give you some george kd stats george kd amongst all pass catchers last year was first in yards per target over a quarter of his catches went for 20 or more yards by the way where do you think the next tight end ranked yards per target he was first in yards per target who is next man next tight end it's like john smith at like 40 or something no it's brock bowers at 31st so between george kd and the next tight end there were 30 receivers wide receivers in yards per target um he was fourth league wide and guards per route run the only other tight end above 20 was trey mcbride george kd is still so good and he's and he's been healthy the last few years in terms of like games played if you go and you look at injury report stuff like he is just constantly dealing with with nagging things and gutting through it as he gets a little bit older as trent williams gets older we obviously saw mccaffrey last year like there's no doubt my mind kles that dude and i think between iayuk into pearl into third and drawn jennings my dear son whom i love so very much like they added to marcus robinson i think they will have enough pass catchers in enough games that we won't be in week 10 being like well this the lack of receivers is prohibitive for the 49ers offensive success i think they have enough depth and those guys will be healthy i'm not sure that we have if you go and you look back at just the wide receiver rooms that we've talked about there's so much talent at this position you i can't put this room up against the packers i can't put this room up against the buccaneers i can't put this room up against the eagles i can't put this room up against the lions because even if aayuk is that star that like top 15 player that i still have depth questions in terms of of how dangerous those number two number three can be yeah kd's the one aayuk's two you know but but but i think that's the other thing is where our last memory of him is he was bad last year quite frankly the weird off season if you get a motivated iayuk i think that that probably is the thing on which this whole thing hinges for me is whether or not i looks like brandon aayuk again u because when he looks like i you know he has a really good pairing with brock pury who is willing to throw him the ball deep he's there for him on extended plays i know that uh everybody's got mixed feelings about brock pury the brock party discourse is never ending i as a niners fan would feel better about him after last season than i did after the prior season because that was the hell season for your boy and he made it through and he wasn't that bad he was actually at times pretty damn good so you know if things are even a little bit better around him you're feeling pretty good okay you had them 11th so can i can i give one more thing that you said this hinges on aayuk well i i don't want to brush past this because it was a big part of the reason why i had them at 11 which was hard for me i want niners fans to know like i had him on list i took him off i had him on i took him off dude like ben bart at left guard jake gundle at center misses anytime yeah like they have a great player there in booney great young player trent's obviously the man left guard can be like prohibitively bad it can be like below league average it can be a achilles heel to this team brendle has good reps in run blocking i understand why they want to keep him he's an important player for them in their running game in pass protection brendle continues to be a player that teams go after same thing is true with mckivittz like that the niners even if in in versions where the offense is good are going to deal with a lot of quarterback pressure on some of these extended dropbacks and that's just that's that that again i can't stack this offensive lineup against some of the offensive lines we've talked about previously just from a talent perspective it's hard for me to get there i don't think i think that um if the pass catchers are healthy rocky's not going to have to hold on to the ball as long as he did last year i think that was a lot of that had to do buying time though was very impressive the pocket management the capability man it's the it's the thing he brings that's so new and so valuable to this offense he's a scrambler who is your non-scrambling quarterback because you only have one team left right or do you have nine i have two nine yeah because i have one team left which is nine yeah um looking at the list i'll tell you my oh do you have the cowboys in the top 10 no i do not no jags no chargers no texans no you do not have the p no the patriots do have scramling quarterback yeah i'll tell i'll tell you my nine which reveal it reveal your nine because it's not mine the nine the most scrambling quarterback is the washington commanders jaden daniels who scrambled on 24% of his pressure drop backs last season which like led the league by like eight percentage points let's talk about them because that's my ninth team as well um so cuz so so now we've now you just have a different 10 team so okay so i have the commanders at nine we both have the commanders at nine okay um i wrestled with putting them higher personally uh they should be higher based on how they performed last season let's start here this was a team that was fourth in both epa and success rate six in dvoa um they were extremely good on fourth down which we can get to which gives me some cause for concern because that they're not going to convert 87% of their fourth downs again however they were also good on early down so it wasn't just like a team that was like completely dining on fourth down um they were had an extremely good run game they have a quarterback who was quite unflapable in big moments and in clutch situations and they arguably got better this year uh offensive line they did not this is i love that they didn't rest on their laurels with their offensive line because i think they were kind of exposed at the end of last season you add laramie tonsel draft josh connorly uh and then they added debo samuel as a pass catcher so should they be higher yeah i i i you can get there right again right from a statistical perspective you go and you look at at at success rate and ep paper play they're like top 10 and everything downside conversion rate their ability to convert on fourth downs like you brought up is a big part of it they just never really had to punt like they they were just so good at getting into scoring range daniels with the scrambling like it was a it was a incredible season it was also a little bit miraculous of a season when you go and you look at daniel's having one of the most successful scrambling seasons of all time in history he was third high best scramble season by total epa generated we've ever seen right and like he only had one touchdown on a scramble if he had two it would have been the best one ever that's probably not going to be as good in year two than it is in year one that's not because he's going to be slower he's going to get hurt teams are going to catch up it's just because statistically it's hard to retain that the 84% fourth down conversion rate i mean it's the best fourth down season by epa generated by a mile it is not close like that is going to come back down to earth a little bit not because they're going to be wor like you know worse designed or because defense will catch up but because that's just the nature of a 17game season in the nfl where one ball bounces the wrong way and all of a sudden you lose a game uh and so i do think that there are some like clear signs of okay this is going to regress a little bit i appreciate the intentions behind the additions but let's let's forget the fact that they just added debo samuel just added larry tonsil and let's just look at the rosters and independent of when the players were added and oh let's be aggressive a room that is terry mclaren debo samuel and probably luke mcaffrey because dei brown was gone alam gas is gone and noah brown got hurt is not the scariest wide receiver room you ever saw zacks at tight end like just had that great season but again like this is just it's not a pass catching group that intimidates you and and forces your hand as a defense the way that some of the the previous groups we've talked about have i'm higher on the tonsil edition than i am on the dbo samuel edition and not just because of you know clips of him jogging in camp which is i'm always a little bit lower on tonsil than i feel like consensus is just because of a lot of the pre- snap procedural problems yeah he's still good man he's still a good player i you better not have the texans as your no i do not yeah and i think you can explain some of tonsel's season last year both from procedural issues and inplay pass protection issues as being a little bit mentally checked out i think that was a pretty clear problem for a lot of the texans offensive line um i will say like a big offensive line shuffle is it can be good i'm glad they they addressed the line it also can you know you're still talking about a new guy at left tackle you're talking about a rookie potential star at right tackle brandon coleman who played left hack for him last year is probably gonna move into left guard sam cosby who's their best offensive lineman at right guard has the acl tear in the divisional round he's probably gonna be out for most of 2025 sneaky big one with cosby by the way yeah that was a big injury he was really good last year i i hear you but i do think they've got good i love like they've got good depth there and i thought they've really out coached them out they coached them beyond my expectations last season so i feel pretty good about this staff with more talented guys reshuffling the decks um they're all just also really helped by jay daniel's scrambling ability i mean he's not going to scramble for you know 600 yards again probably right uh and i kind of hope he doesn't because i i while i definitely last year convinced me that he has the he was his durability was a lot better than i think some of us feared you don't want your quarterback taking those hits right and i think he is so good as a pocket passer and like he can win as a drop back pure drop back passer it adds it certainly helped their run game it helped the offensive line it helped on a fourth down but i don't think it's quite nec you don't want him scrambling at the rate that he scrambled last year how do we feel before we move on one more thing about the cliff kingsbury piece because that's exactly the final final piece of this puzzle yeah so the the the i talked about the offensive line reshuffling and some of the wide receiver depth and the the the stats that are prime for some regression but really when you get down to it the reason why it was tough for me to get them higher is is the jared goff theorem on cliff kingsbury i've watched a lot of cliff in my day and last season let let us make no bones about it without question the coach who most exceeded my expectations not like oh they overperformed did legitimately good things that like are are sustainable and are real and are valuable and are him was cliff kingsbury he blew me and my expectations out of the water everybody has the same line five weeks into the season cliff always comes out the gate strong he can't sustain it and he really sustained over the course of the year however i'm very big on if you've you know you got to show me this over multiple years right you got to be able to prove to me over time that you can do this and i cannot get 100% on the board of like well cliff has figured out nfl offense and like there's not a second shoe dropping i still just in in in in my bones in my marrow all right feel a concern that eventually this very college inspired they ran a ton of screens a lot of throws by line of scrimmage pony personnel shotgun running game is going to hit the thing that it often hits in the nfl a wall where just it it gets figured out the tendencies get dialed in on and defenses catch up overnight to to some of this running game stuff and so i i i cannot help but be worried about the cliff kingsbury of everything i think if there's a team that embarrasses me this season it's the commanders they're gonna be a top two offense i had them at nine i'm an idiot but i'm sorry i just cannot fully get there on clear that the commanders fan neither of us have said rookie wall they've got tape on jane daniels because i don't believe he like that he's the dude we saw mentally the accuracy the just i think he's the total package i have questions about the other elements of this um okay i figured out who your team is and i'm going to tell you why they didn't make my top 10 it's the los angeles rams ding ding ding oh is laric jackson their left tackle probably uh four days a two hours ago uh i know i realized that i work for the rams so i could probably like ask around and and get some info on this laric jackson dealing with blood clots season in jeopardy due to health issues uh headline 14 hours ago i was not aware of this information at the time of the ranking oh that's awful news for a would you like to drop them i know it sucks okay you can you can you can you i'm giving you the opportunity now to change your pick no i probably want to just keep it because like i'm already here like you know let's talk about the rams i want to i have notes on the rams dj humphre is there [Music] because this particular quarterback it's the kind of thing where that is a big deal um you know as much as i love rams preseason legend warren mcclendon who's the other that piece there uh i i so i i don't know why i didn't mention the rams because they were in my so the teams that i had that i was like shuffling between were the cowboys the jaguars the texans the rams the cardinals the chargers and the dolphins i realize that's a ton of teams but that takes years that's legitimately like how it has to be when you're talking about the fringe top 10 offenses so many uh do you think i'm overrating it like let's let's say he isn't because he's he's he they gave him a contract extension i guess my fear here is i do think at this point in his career that's like a potential dealbreaker for matthew stafford if he doesn't have production no and they just gave aleric the big contract and i think he'd earned that big contract uh i've got my you know there's some he can lose to some elite rushers but in general i liked what they had done along the offensive line uh they they go and they get coleman coleman shelton not shelton coleman they go and they get coleman shelton to potentially improve there at center uh you know haven't seen still there they have the the great guard play from stevia who's a player that they moved around last year and he had injury and like you know that led some problems but this team last year was like near the bottom of the league at explosive rush rate the the the line is a lot better than their running game would imply and i think it's because at running back with kairen williams and then they drafted blake cororum they just drafted for kind of these hard-nosed go and kind of dig out some some yardage players and i think that they knew they had to improve there a little bit they get jaros hunter in the fourth round the hope is that that explosiveness number like i say explosive can be very very uh volatile the explosive run rate leaps from a passing perspective and and this is like i think i think it's very important to say this i don't think a lot of people like are are here on this the improvement from the 2024 version of cooper cup to 2025 dvonte adams is a dramatic improvement at wide receiver too from a name recognition perspective from a contract size perspective i understand like the cooper got a deal from the seahawks dvonte got a deal from the rams whatever if you cooper cup's miles per hour last year his success rate last year his ability to get off line of scrimmage from last year like we get it we get it yeah sorry seattle fans but this this this team which is very the the the design of this offense is very predicated on we've got one guy over here and one guy over there and we can just interchange and flip-flop and motion you never know where we're coming at you they very much lost that part of their menu because cup's athleticism just really tailed off a clip there at the end of the season devonte and puka nakua with matthew stafford in a shawn mcvey offense it's just i think i think the passing game has top five potential i really do and obviously eric and and left tackle issues aside i i i think we're going to see about as dangerous of a rams passing game as we've seen the last couple years it's going to feel like the prime like the rookie year puka in terms of the the the danger that they have with those two individuals i love terrence ferguson the second round tight end i was about to say i really like and they they've been sniffing around a tight end improvement i think you're going to see a lot of easy targets for him as well i i just i have a lot of faith in this passing attack so why weren't they better last year i think is because i this is i would put the rams under the same rubric is like the last time we saw them it was matthew stefford world's destroyer right and like the last two drives against the eagles you were like "oh my god it's happening it's happening." and you know we we we love matthew stafford we talk about how his highs are as high as any quarterback he can he's the quarterback who defensive players correctly fear and yet over the course of the season um pretty inconsistent did you feel it was a pressure thing or no or because i think that was a big part of it and that's again why i just keep going to this left tackle thing as being like potentially a i don't know a major issue for them but it's it's a big question mark so yeah i was i was looking for my true media table and i found it successfully last year rams third down uh average yards to go 6.6 fifth best in football conversion rate 36.8% 24th in football on pass 30% conversion rate 28th in football and a lot of that is because teams took away puka and told somebody else to beat him and when and there's no there's not a lot of tyler higgby and and cooper cups out of the lineup and just they they don't have the manto man winner i think again like was out a lot of the season too i should mention that they were 27th in adjusted games lost on offense the rams were the niners were 30th right on offense specifically so a lot like oh then you know the the games the niners lost the rams offensive line for the first half of the season just every single week was a different fiveman rotation right if you assume a more stable injury season and then the addition of dvonte helping them win man coverage on third downs i just think they're going to be able to sustain drives way better than they did the pressure aspect because i remember talking about this with you last year as we were previewing games matthew stafford and the huge delta between pressured and unpressured performance just pulling that yeah i think a lot of that had to do with the fact that you had the the offensive line uncertainty you had those changes you had the lack of a of a go-getter player right a one-on-one winner besides pukanua such that stafford felt like i've got to hold hold for as long as i possibly can i think you're going to see the team be more willing to throw earlier in the down get the ball out a lot quicker a more healthy drop back passing game than you saw last season yeah under pressure drops from qbr of 75 to 28 last year going from top of the nfl to very well below average um yeah i think if you if if i felt better about that situation we'll see that's it's up in the air i don't know it's like you know with the blood clots i mean with christian barmer i was kind of he missed the season but then he came back i thought maybe his career would be over so it's just it's definitely a a fluid situation and dj humphrey is like he he's played he started in the nfl it's not like you know i just worry about that a little bit um i mentioned the teams that i had in my six were they the same ones as you or was there anyone else you wanted to sneak in yeah so i didn't really give consideration to the dolphins i feel like we kind of know what the dolphins are at this point in terms of when it what are we calling a top 10 offense you know when it works it works but also the good defenses know how to stop it and they don't have a second punch and so once you can take the wind out of their sales right now like you know it's hard for them to find a you know physical running game or become like a a shot play team like it just kind of is all all or nothing chips in the basket of this 10 to 20 yard middle of the field play action rpo style approach so i didn't have the dolphins in there like i said niners at 11 niners commanders and rams i really struggled with i had a a rotation of those three teams as i was writing it out and then the other team that was up there for me was the cardinals uh yeah the cardinals just from a stats perspective had like a fringe top 10 to top 10 offense last season and yet we were all frustrated with them we were very frustrated with the marvin harrison jr usage and and uh the lack of like you know getting trey benson involved and and and there's there's there's a lot of meat on that bone for some of their young players to help elevate the team i will say that you go and you look at pressure versus unpressured numbers again for the cardinals kyler was pretty poor when unpressured and was extremely splits last year were crazy by so strange like the things he was good at there things he wasn't the thing that kept them out of the top 10 for me was it felt like a lot of their success last year was fragile so even though there's meat on the bone for marvin harrison to bring this offense forward level and trey benson to bring it forward level there's also worlds where they are just way worse from a statistical regression perspective but i didn't get him there position because of their defense buddha baker said some so he was the other person i interviewed i have a few other interviews coming out and he said something that almost made me want to put the cardinals to top 10 when she she said that kyler murray is going to run more this year nice uh which i was like get the rc car out baby zip zip zip zip come on man the one team that i feel like i could see like the one team i really wanted to put in the top 10 to be spicy is the jaguars oh that was faith yeah i i i would have loved but i couldn't get there i really want to watch them i think the cowboys if pickkins is is pickkins is pickkins and actually you know and plays all 16 and 17 and um i think they could be a top 10 offense too that was really hard for me to leave out i wanted to get there with the chargers but i just kept on seeing greg robin's name and then stopping all right so to recap my top 10 i will read in order ravens bills chiefs bengals lions packers eagles niners commanders and bucks ben uh ravens bills bengals chiefs lions the same top five little little switch at three and four and then i was eagles six buccaneers 7 packers at eight commanders at nine the los angeles rams all jackson assumed at 10 uh that was a brutal brutal news break for for you boy when you asked me that i was like what don't i know uh we'll see i don't know maybe on it's not a big deal it's something to keep an eye on i could be totally wrong and i still think they'll be a good offense they were in my just outside group uh so i have a little bit of news by the way um for listeners who are in seattle at the end of july on july 31st i am doing another live podcast show at numos uh which i did one with bill barnwell i think like seven years ago six year long time ago so it's been a long time since we've played seattle um there's going to be uh information at mipodlive.com uh you can buy tickets there uh you also get snacks and a water or soda with tickets i'm told uh it is july 31st at numos in seattle minopodlive.com uh guests uh this podcast include danny kelly and jackson bevans my buds who have been on this show and julian love is going to be my special guest who is an awesome guy who i'm really excited to interview on stage and talk a little seahawks with uh during training camp so mopodlive.com i'll put that information on the internet as well um in the meantime you guys can also check out my tv pod with david dennis jr viewer discretion where we are currently in uh the he the heart of love island usa season if you want to hear people complain about ace and huda go check that out for uh you should go to youtube.comimes uh where i've been teasing all these interviews i'm doing they're are going on youtube i'm not putting out the audio for those uh i think this week is buddha baker so check that out ben is there anything uh i can direct folks to that you've written recently absolutely not no uh i have my sophomore review on quarterbacks uh so caleb williams j mccarthy drake may all those guys that just came out i did a piece you know you know how in the offseason that your editors were like "you want to do this?" you're like "yeah it sounds cool." and you realize how much work it is uh i did a piece picking the best draft pick from every single draft slot in the modern draft era history so one to 256 that's coming out next week pretty excited about that that was a lot of fun uh yeah but that's that's what we're up to these days um yeah could not pay me to do that any consideration for the vikings by the way because if jj mccarthy is even above average there's you know anyways i like if you made me rank supporting casts you know offensive infrastructure around vikings would have been like top five but i could not get there with a quarterback i haven't seen play yet i just couldn't do it all right thank you as always to the folks at omaha productions kirstston sebeeki anthony gimenez owen sailor jack foster tucker tastian i will be back next week picking top 10 defenses with dominic fer [Music]