What is Up Indonesia Podcast Episode 1: Nationalism

Introduction

Discussion between K and Abigail about Indonesia and the concept of nationalism.
Abigail, an Indonesian in the diaspora, prompts the idea for a podcast discussing Indonesian identity and nationalism.

Nationalism is often taught as pride in one's country, regardless of its shortcomings.
Third Culture Kids (TCKs) are Indonesians who have grown up or been educated abroad, leading to different perceptions of nationalism.
- Definition of Third Culture Kids:
  - Indonesians who spent significant developmental years in more than one culture.
TCKs may feel pride for Indonesia but struggle with national identity due to their international upbringing.
There is a complicated relationship with nationalism among TCKs who often face criticism for not speaking Indonesian or living abroad.

State Nationalism:
- Driven by the current government.
Ethnic Nationalism:
- States based on a specific ethnic group.
Plur Nationalism (Multiethnic Nationalism):
- Acknowledges multiple ethnic groups and promotes unity.
Religious Nationalism:
- Lack of separation between church and state.
Postcolonial Nationalism:
- Emerges from the desire for independence after colonial rule.

Indonesia reflects aspects of all five definitions of nationalism.
Indonesia is described as a "funky hybrid" of postcolonial and state nationalism.
National philosophy emphasizes unity in diversity despite complexities.

Both hosts share experiences and feelings of pride for Indonesia during international events (e.g., sports).
They discuss emotional connections to Indonesia despite its challenges.
Importance of acknowledging both love and pride for the nation:
- Love: Innate feeling towards one's country.
- Pride: Needs to be earned through positive actions or achievements.

Diaspora Indonesians may feel disconnected or judged based on their upbringing abroad.
The perception of nationalism can vary among individuals based on their experiences.
Contribution to Indonesia doesn’t always require physical presence, e.g., sending money home.

Both hosts discuss the importance of empathy and understanding in bridging gaps between TCKs and local Indonesians.
They emphasize the need for TCKs to show effort to connect with their roots.
Importance of addressing issues without antagonism.

The podcast aims to explore various aspects of Indonesian identity and nationalism in future episodes.
Encouragement for listeners to engage with the podcast, share ideas, and suggest topics.

Discussion about traditional Indonesian games played during Independence Day celebrations.
Recognizing the importance of cultural activities in strengthening national identity.