We will discuss all of this together with the military analyst Mr. Nikos Lygero Mr. Lygero, good afternoon from Radio Proto. Good afternoon Maria. We thought that this whole issue with the plots of land with Libya and the Turkish-Turkish memorandum was over. There was not even a topic for discussion. In recent weeks, it has been coming back. Publications say that Haftar is coming from the Turkish side and now we are seeing these announcements. What can we conclude? Marie. Things are not exactly like that because after the 19th, Libya went ahead and released new maps to say what its EEZ is like and on the 23rd, in fact, these are accessible to the United Nations and we also put them in our account so that they are accessible to everyone. On the Egyptian side, it has released another demarcation. But the next thing we can say is the following. It is definitely being manipulated. Libya to make these moves on the part of Turkey. And the fact that it said that we are violating its sovereign rights. Now we know that this is not only not valid, but that it is not violating ours either. Why do the four maritime plots that it has now taken out, like the previous six, not go beyond the median demarcation line, which it reminds us that we have issued unilaterally with the Maniatis law of 2011, but we still do not have an agreement between the two countries, and that is why Greece is talking about something diplomatic until we reach an agreement in the meantime? But we must understand that these maritime plots may not concern us because they do not exceed the demarcation line. But the point is that they do exceed the demarcation line, the median line with Egypt. In fact, maritime plot 4, you noticed on the map, well done, it goes somewhat diagonally to the East, while from the Egyptian side it believes that there should have been one. vertical And why does this matter because when we look at the map that Libya has sent to the United Nations, it is a map that puts a demarcation line technically which is joined to points ab of the demarcation line that it had issued with the Turkish-Libyan memorandum. Consequently, we must be very careful with this maritime one that here four. Let's not say that it doesn't bother us to discuss it. Because very simply for those who don't understand it, because we will have a triple point of contact, the fact that Libya is entering the sovereign rights of Egypt means that the triple point of contact is moving and we would not want there to be a problem with the five points that we have agreed on with the partial demarcation with Egypt. Because as you remember very well, the two external ones are dynamic. So they will move depending on the completion of the demarcation. Then we are very careful. You say yes. We have been saying it since then that the partial demarcation does not solve everything. the problems and we find them in front of us now Right Right But now we see that there is an external consumption because there is a confrontation within Libya We have left the ground very free That is why Turkey is taking initiatives and has no problem promoting Libya to trample on the sovereign rights of Egypt in order to exert pressure So because we are all in this contact zone it would be good for the planned contact to actually take place, for there to be contacts in advance with lower echelons so that when the Greek foreign minister meets with his counterpart in Libya the ground is prepared Because now we see that other things are being done as you very rightly say while we were saying that nothing is going to happen because we had left it pending and they are being done with a timing that is just before the scheduled meeting So this meeting will also be problematic and because of this we must be clear in what we say When to conclude on this issue but we must see that although is influenced by Turkey, even though it will give these marine plots for two-dimensional seismic surveys to the Turkish company, the marine plots do not encroach on the median line. But I think the most important thing is to understand that the two marine plots that we are discussing with Chevron are the ones that come to support the median line of the 11th and of course the marine spatial planning since it was based on them to have an allied framework. How is this situation reversed now? At least with plot four, joint moves should be made with Egypt. Egypt is bothered by this unilateral arrangement. Egypt has been bothered by it since 2023 because there is a confrontation that has been recorded in the texts of the United Nations, which are accessible to everyone, and we see the letters that have been sent by both sides, and there is this confrontation on the 23rd and the 24th. and now it just continues when we see it. We understand that Libya must also be strengthened because I mean not to be influenced by Turkey. At the same time, however, we must be very clear and to be specific, what Egypt had sent was from April 9, 2024. So I say, Marie, that if we had dealt more seriously with this issue and seen that there is a confrontation between the two sides, because Libya has solved its problems with Malta and Tunisia by going to the international court. It would be good to be a little prepared in advance because we have decided to enter this process if we do not succeed among ourselves and because we see that Turkey is constantly influencing Libya, it will not surprise us if this negotiation is more difficult than we expected. Hmm, what we discussed now, together with the phenomena that we have observed in recent days in Crete with mass migration, is in the same context of hybrid threats to press Yes, they are definitely pressing, that's why the Prime Minister of Greece has put them in the same context and because of this he has decided to put warships essentially outside the territorial waters of Libya, which means that we are in international territorial waters in the sense that the process should stop abruptly and we should not wait for them to arrive on Tuesday and then manage it. We should have a deterrent from the beginning so that they do not even have the will to come to Greece. Because you mentioned the Prime Minister, his NATO summit also took place. Many might have hoped that he would have had a conversation with US President Donald Trump, who is coming having ended the ceasefire, at least temporarily, with Iran and Israel. Instead, many are discussing the fact that he was very close to Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan. Your comments? Well, it's very simple. First of all, those who say this are simply republishing what the Turkish press We didn't see anything special, we understand that the Turkish president wanted to take a picture with the American president after all that happened, but to be clear and not to get confused, when Turkey constantly curses both Israel and America in relation to Gaza, when it takes a position in favor of Iran, when it gathers when the blow was struck by America, and does not say it clearly when it is in favor of Pakistan, it is very difficult for Turkey to play very seriously with America. So it is more about appearances and not about the substance. Mh. After days, we see today that Khomeini made his appearance. He made statements about the fact, such as saying that they won, they consider them already victorious. We understand that it is in the context of foreign propaganda and this and they. At what point are we now between Iran and Israel, should we consider it a done deal or do we pause, regroup forces, and wait for the next episode over these 12 days? The issue is over. What is certain is that Israel with special forces will continue to go to Iran and see exactly what is happening and what the situation is on the ground without this propaganda. Because to be specific, propaganda can have some depth and is logical, but when you have been slapped with such a belligerent blow and you say that Iran has defeated it, it becomes ridiculous for the Iranians too. What is important for Kaneis is that he must convince the Iranians that the power is still managing it, while in fact we know first of all that he is hiding that he has already put three successors who he has put in, I imagine more for fun, so in reality he would like his son to be the successor, he just wanted to be targeted, and we understand that the Iranian regime has a lot of problems to manage, and we certainly see the emergence of the Shah. I mean before I said the Shah's successor, it is becoming more and more intense. It is not a coincidence. So he must manage his problems. It is not However, not even in the context of Proxy One, which was defeated. It cannot secure anything for Hamas or the HBA. Even less for the Houthis. It has no air defense. It has exhausted many missiles from its missile arsenal. And as far as nuclear facilities are concerned, we know that the situation is terrible. So Iran is forced to speak like this. The ceasefire is holding. Even though some said it would not last. We saw that Donald Trump imposed it, to put it bluntly, both from the right and the left, because it should not have escaped. This has already been done. It is already an achievement, but I believe that the confrontation with Israel will exist even in secret. Because quite simply, as long as this power exists, Iran will consider that the goal is to annihilate Israel. Today, we saw some huge signs posted in Tel Aviv since yesterday, Wednesday, showing that it is with the slogan Abraham's alliance. The time has come for a new one. Middle East It is a sign sponsored by a coalition for regional security Above are photos of leaders such as Saudi Arabia, Israel, Lebanon, Syria and even Syria, Arsara, Jordan, Egypt, Turkey is missing from above. It is an idea as written which is supported by Trump. And it is the next order of things that will follow in the coming period in the Middle East. We also have statements from the US special envoy Witkov who said we believe that we will make big announcements about the new countries that will join these Abraham agreements. We have now re-entered this system. This is the only sure thing and I think to be clearer it is not just a support from At. Let's not forget that he is the one who invented them in the first term. So we had tangible agreements and the data changed. Here the goal is to have an agreement definitely with Saudi Arabia but also with Syria and anyway Otherwise, the contacts that Donald Trump had made in the region when he made his tour were like this. But we can say that this will definitely be strengthened more, that there will be a rapprochement with Israel. It is not to the benefit of either Turkey or Iran. Simply, in the region, so as not to forget the context, IMEC has also come as a catalyst. That is, the countries that we are now talking about, such as Saudi Arabia, are within IMEC. And this is no coincidence because after India and the United Arab Emirates, Amec passes through Saudi Arabia. The context with Jordan is clearer. Then there is Israel, and then they come to Cyprus, Greece, Italy, France, Germany. Consequently, we can say that this situation after this Proxy War is working positively. The fact that there is IMEC that works as a catalyst is very important. And now, finally, when we reach this level, we can predict that there will indeed be an extension of the Abraham Accords. One last question, IMEC and the New Silk Road Beltt Road can they coexist, function complementary or are they one against the other? They are one against the other and that is the problem because anyway the first one was just an attempt on the part of China to create various minions but even they understood that it is a problem and there is nothing that constitutes a real and genuine alliance. What we need to understand is that IMEC is a true alliance, a democratic alliance and the fact that it exists puts into question the previous attempt which did not end because quite simply China wanted more to put money to make investments for itself but not to help other countries. So the IMC is what is important that needs to be done regardless of the other. Indeed, Mr. Lygere, thank you very much. Be well.