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Lenovo's LOQ Budget Gaming Laptop Review (2024)

Lenovo’s LOQ was my favorite  budget gaming laptop last year,   but is that still the case  with the new 2024 redesign? I’ve got a cheaper model with Intel Arc graphics,   and a slightly more expensive model with  Nvidia GeForce graphics to find out. Now Lenovo has made some nice  changes this year, but as you’ll   see in this review, not everything is better. But first, this part of the video is sponsored   by the Ugreen Nexode Pro 100W charger! With up to 100 watts from a single port,   it can charge a MacBook Pro 14 from 0 to  86% in just 60 minutes, while also being   smaller than my 96W MacBook charger too. And with a Type-A and two Type-C ports,   it can also charge up to 3 devices at  once - even your laptop, with all the   latest fast charge protocols. Or if you need even more power   you can charge up to 4 devices with  the Ugreen Nexode Pro 160W charger!  Check them out and Ugreen's whole  range of chargers with the link below.  The LOQ still has a grey plastic finish on  the lid and interior, just like last year. Build quality still feels decent, there’s  not much flex to the keyboard or lid even   when pushing down fairly hard, but there  is a little more screen wobble noticeable. The front of the lid sticks out a  little, making one finger opening easy,   and now this year the lid goes all the  way back. The hinges still feel solid,   even when ripping the lid open fast,  and despite the extra wobble noted. The LOQ is slightly thinner this year  with a typical size for a mid-range   gaming laptop. It’s not small, but still portable. The laptops alone weigh 5.3lb  or 2.4kg, similar to last year,   increasing to 6.6lb or 3kg with the  relatively small 170 watt charger included. Both of my LOQ laptops have the same screen,  battery, SSD and RAM, the only difference is   the CPU and GPU. The cheaper configuration has  an older 12th gen CPU and Intel Arc graphics,   while the slightly more expensive one has  a newer 13th gen CPU and Nvidia graphics. There’s also a 14th gen CPU option with RTX  4050 or 4060 graphics, so there’s a fair bit   of customization available, you can check the  options and current prices with the link below. The keyboard has 4 zones of RGB backlighting,  but there’s also a cheaper white only option.   All keys and secondary functions get lit up,  and you can change between 3 profiles with the   function and spacebar shortcut. There aren’t any  keyboard shortcuts for controlling key brightness,   but Spectrum in Lenovo’s Vantage control  panel gives you 2 brightness levels,   and this is where you customize  the RGB lighting effects. I thought the keyboard felt nice to  type with, as I usually like Lenovo   keyboards. My partner isn’t usually  a fan, but she thought it was fine. The touchpad works alright, but we both thought  that it didn’t feel very smooth. It’s plastic,   and sometimes it just felt like it was gripping  my fingers and making it harder for me to move. As for ports, the right side has a USB 3.2  Gen 2 Type-C port, camera disconnect switch,   3.5mm audio combo jack, and a USB 3.2 Gen  1 Type-A port. They’ve also completely   removed the air exhaust vents on the left and  right sides this year - more on that soon. There’s nothing at all on the left side. Last  year’s model had the audio and Type-C here,   but now it’s all on the right. I  thought this was a strange choice,   given most mouse users are right handed - why  not move it all to the left instead of the right? The rest is on the back, we’ve got  two more USB 3.2 Gen 1 Type-A ports,   a HDMI 2.1 output, gigabit ethernet and  the power input on the right - the same   ports as last year’s model,  just in a different order. The Type-C port on the right can  be used to charge on both laptops,   and it also provides DisplayPort  support so you can connect screens. I also confirmed both the Type-C  port and HDMI ports always connect   directly to the discrete graphics,  bypassing the integrated graphics   whether optimus is on or off. And  that’s the case on both laptops. Getting inside was much easier compared  to last year’s LOQ, just take out the 10   phillips head screws and pry it open. I’ll leave  a link to the pry tools I use below the video. The internal layout is the same in both  laptops with the battery down the front,   two DDR5 memory slots in the middle, M.2 SSD  on the right with a spare slot on the left,   and Wi-Fi 6 card just under the spare slot. Wi-Fi speed wasn’t amazing and basically  the same compared to last year’s LOQ with   the same Wi-Fi card, but at almost a gigabit  speed, it should be fine for most people. Both of my LOQs came with 512gb SSDs,  but they’re different models, and the   one in the more expensive 13th gen + Nvidia  combo was faster. And both M.2 slots fit   my 4TB drive with chips on both sides no  problem, which wasn’t the case last year. The upgradeability score was about as good  as it can get compared to most other laptops.   The 2024 LOQ is a point ahead compared  to last year because those were harder   to open up and get inside, and one of their  M.2 slots didn’t support double sided SSDs. The speakers are found down the front on the left  and right sides. I thought they sounded average   for a gaming laptop. Nothing special and not much  bass, but they’re clear enough and loud enough. The Latencymon results  weren’t good on both laptops,   but that’s been the case with most  laptops in the last 12 months. Both of my LOQs are powered  by a 4-Cell 60Wh battery,   but there’s also a larger 80Wh option,  which is why mine has some empty space. The vantage software also lets  you enable adaptive refresh rate,   which lowers the screen’s refresh rate down  to 60Hz when you unplug the charger to save   power. The screen flashes black as the refresh  rate changes, and it automatically goes back up   when you plug back in. You can manually do this  at any time with the function plus R shortcut. You can also enable conservation mode in Vantage.  This limits the maximum charge level between 75   and 80%, helping battery longevity. You can’t  use it at the same time as rapid charge,   and you’ve also got the option to charge the  battery slower overnight, again to help longevity. Battery life wasn’t amazing, with both laptops  lasting just over 4 hours in video playback,   and about the same result makes sense as they’re  both using the same integrated graphics. The game   test however indicates that Nvidia is more power  efficient, as it was lasting for 51% longer with   a game running. Last year’s LOQ 15 with the  same sized battery was able to last longer,   because the 13700H uses the newer  Intel Iris Xe integrated graphics,   while the 13450HX is using Intel UHD  graphics. Based on my testing last year,   it’s absolutely worth paying a little more for  the 80Wh upgrade if available in your region. Unfortunately I noticed some battery  drain during my thermal testing. During that I run a combined CPU and GPU stress  test to simulate a full load worst case scenario. And by the time that was finished, the Arc laptop  had 93% battery charge remaining while the Nvidia   laptop had 85% left. So it’s nothing too major  considering I was running those thermal tests for   more than 3 hours, but it’s not ideal because this  just doesn’t happen on most other laptops I test. You can enable the battery drop protection  option in Lenovo’s BIOS which limits power and   performance to prevent battery dropping,  which sounds like a great solution,   but on the Nvidia laptop I found that this  meant that the RTX 3050 was limited to just   30 watts of power. Down from 90, so it just  doesn’t perform anywhere near as good when   running games. So it’s not really a great solution  unless you don’t need the extra power. That said,   you could probably use custom mode to manually  lower the GPU power to something in between. Basically we’re limited by the 170 watt charger,   and last year’s 3050 LOQ had the same charger  too. So this may not be new this year. I didn’t see a battery drain  issue with my LOQs last year,   but those came with a heavier 230 watt charger  as they had more powerful CPUs and GPUs. Again this was only noticeable during  extended periods with both the CPU and   GPU fully utilized. Most games just  aren’t going to behave that way for   an extended period like a stress test. And  considering in that worst case I only lost   10-15% after 3 hours, I don’t think it’s  going to be a big issue for most people. Let’s get into those thermal tests  next. Both laptops have two fans   with a heatpipe shared between the  CPU and GPU. There are air intake   vents directly above the fans,  as well as exhaust at the back. As mentioned earlier, this year’s LOQ removes the  air exhaust vents on the left and right sides,   so no hot air blowing on your mouse hand. Air  only comes out the back in this year’s model,   but does this mean the laptop gets hotter?  Lenovo says no, as they’re using foam   inserts to better control air flow inside,  which apparently makes up the difference. Lenovo’s Vantage software allows us to  change between different performance modes,   which from lowest to highest are quiet,  balance, performance and custom. Custom   mode lets us set the fans to full speed or  customize them, and we’ve also got the option   to tweak CPU and GPU power and temperature  limits - at least on the Nvidia version. The Arc laptop only has CPU control, you  can’t do anything to the Arc graphics   in here. The Arc laptop also doesn’t have  this GPU overclock option available at all,   meanwhile the Nvidia version does and  automatically enables it in custom mode,   but only with the new extreme option enabled. This  is a new option this year which we’ll test too. You can also hold the function key and press the  letter Q to cycle between all modes except custom,   but this year they’ve also added a check box  to give you the option to include custom in   the rotation. The power button changes  color to reflect the performance mode so   you can quickly see what mode you’re  on at any time, and I think it looks   better compared to last year’s version,  which was just a little light up dot. Let’s start with the 13th gen and Nvidia  laptop. The internal temps were cool at idle,   but even with the stress tests running in  the higher modes it’s nowhere near what   I’d consider to be hot. Custom mode was  actually a bit warmer with a cooling pad,   the one I test with is linked below the video, and  setting the fans to full speed was also warmer. We can see why when looking at the clock speeds,  the CPU performance is significantly higher,   about 1GHz higher on the 6 P cores. Interestingly  balance mode also had better CPU performance than   the higher performance mode, and we can  see why when looking at the power levels. Balance mode limits the RTX 3050 to 75  watts, but at the expense of better CPU   performance. Then the GPU is able to max out  in performance mode, but CPU power gets limited   to 30 watts. The Nvidia control panel says  this is a 95 watt 3050 with dynamic boost,   so sustaining above 90 watts with the CPU  loaded up at the same time confirms that   this is a full powered 3050. We can see  why custom mode with the cooling pad or   fans maxed out was warmer - the CPU gets boosted  to 50 watts. I don’t have a problem with this,   as the temps were still relatively cool, so might  as well make the most of it and boost performance. Alright now for the 12th gen and  Arc laptop. GPU temps were slightly   warmer compared to the Nvidia one, but CPU  temps were lower, and I mean realistically,   if we’re under 80 degrees Celsius it’s ice cold  as far as gaming laptop internals are concerned. The CPU clock speeds are much  higher with the 12th gen laptop,   and that’s because it has 2 fewer P cores  to power. GPU clocks of the Arc A530M are   similar to the RTX 3050, but these  likely aren’t directly comparable. The 12th gen CPU was still maxing out at  around 50 watts in custom mode, but the   Arc graphics don’t seem to go above 62 watts.  This is the first time I’ve had an Arc laptop,   but I don’t think it’s a full powered GPU.  If I stop the CPU part of the stress test,   performance mode in a GPU only test  increases 10 watts to 72 watts. Intel’s   website notes that this is a 65 to 95  watt part, leading me to conclude the   Arc LOQ doesn’t have a full powered GPU  like the more expensive Nvidia version. Here’s how the different performance modes affect  game performance. I’ve got the cheaper Arc laptop   in purple and more expensive Nvidia laptop  in red. For some reason custom mode performed   really bad on the Arc laptop in this game. In  most cases even the 1% lows from the 3050 were   higher than the averages coming from Arc, meaning  the Nvidia laptop is more stable and consistent.   We test from lowest mode to highest, so maybe it  took a while for arcs 4 gigs of vram to run out. The CPU can use more power when the GPU  is idle, like in Cinebench. We’re looking   at a 41% higher multicore score in this  workload on the more expensive 13th gen   configuration thanks to the 50% extra P  cores, while single core was 8% faster. I’ve never had either of these CPUs before for  testing, but the 12450HX doesn’t look that great   when Lenovo’s Legion 5 from 4 years ago comes  out on top in multicore performance. To be fair   that was more expensive when it was new, and  the single core score isn’t as good. The LOQs   12450HX has the same core and thread count as the  non-X version just below in MSI’s cheaper GF63,   but that chassis doesn’t have as good cooling, so  the power limit can’t boost as high as the LOQ.   The 13450HX on the other hand was fairly close  to the 13700H that I tested in last year’s LOQ,   those ones just have 4 extra E cores, giving them  a little extra multicore performance. And hey,   it’s able to beat my MacBook Pro 14  which costs more than 5 times more. Performance lowers if we unplug the charger and  instead run purely off of battery power, and we’re   limited to balance mode without the charger. The  12450HX hardly changed, while the 13450HX dropped   back, putting them fairly close together. I’m  not sure why the single core score on the 12th   gen laptop actually increased 2% on battery power,  but that was consistent over a number of tests. Unlike last year’s 13700H LOQ laptops,  we’ve got HX processors this year,   and the X means the chip is unlocked. You can use  this by enabling Legion Optimization in the BIOS,   then this enables the CPU overclock option in  Vantage. I haven’t bothered testing overclocking,   as the default max clock speeds weren’t a limit,  but you can also undervolt through here too. Most laptops I test are in the low 30 degrees  Celsius range on the keyboard at idle,   and both of my LOQs were below this and cool.  The Intel Arc version was notably warmer with   the stress tests running in the lowest quiet  mode, but I wouldn’t classify it as hot. It’s a   similar deal in the higher balance mode too, but  again, neither are hot to the touch. Performance   mode was a little warmer on the Arc version  too. The Arc laptop is using more CPU power,   but less GPU power. There’s not much of  a difference with both laptops running in   custom mode with all available power sliders  set to maximum. Setting the fans to maximum   is a little cooler, more so for the Arc model,  but it gets louder too, let’s have a listen. The fans were audible on both when  just sitting there doing nothing at   idle. The fan noise was the same on both  regardless of Arc or GeForce graphics,   and I also found performance mode was about 2  decibels quieter compared to last year’s LOQ,   while setting the fans to max  speed was 4 decibels quieter. I think that’s a good result, not only  does the LOQ run a bit quieter this year,   but the internal temps are still  excellent despite the removal of   the left and right air exhaust vents. At  least with this lower powered hardware. It   might be a bit of a different story with  i7 processors or RTX 4050 or 4060 GPUs. Now both of these LOQs have 15.6” 1080p  144Hz screens, but the higher tier 1440p   165Hz screens that I covered in last  year’s LOQ review are still available   with this LOQ for extra money. So if you’re  considering the more expensive 1440p screen   then you can check out my 2023 LOQ review  which will have all of the details on it. There were some slight differences in color gamut,   despite both laptops having the exact  same panel, so it just goes to show   you that the panel lottery is real and each  screen is a little different. In any case,   colors are decent for what’s meant to be a budget  friendly option. I’ve definitely seen far worse. The panel with the better color gamut was  also slightly brighter too, but not much,   and again it’s random luck. It’s a 300 nit  panel, which is the minimum I want to see.   This puts it in line with other cheaper gaming  laptops from last year that it’s competing with,   like Acer’s Nitro 5, ASUS’s  TUF A16, or Gigabyte’s G5. There was a little backlight bleed  from the top corners on both laptops,   but it wasn’t bright enough to  ever notice it during normal use. There’s an overdrive option  in the Vantage software,   but I’m guessing it’s meant to be for  the higher tier 1440p 165Hz screen,   because turning it on and off didn’t make  a difference. I measured an average grey   to grey response time of 14ms, which Lenovo  says is in spec for this 1080p 144Hz panel. It’s not an amazing result when you  consider that a 144Hz screen needs   half that response time at just under 7ms for all  transitions to occur within the refresh window,   but at the same time it’s also faster when  compared to other similarly priced laptops   I’ve tested with 144Hz screens. That said, the  similarly priced TUF A16 was a fair bit faster. The total system latency is the amount of time  between a mouse click and when a gunshot fire   appears on the screen in CS:GO. The more expensive  config with newer 13th gen CPU and Nvidia graphics   was faster, but both had a higher standard  deviation compared to most other laptops tested,   which just means less consistent results. More  shots were higher or lower than the reported   average. I’ve actually started sharing the  full results on my jarrods.tech website,   you can click a result to see more details,  I’ll leave a link to this page below the video. Both laptops have a MUX switch, so you can disable  optimus by setting dGPU mode in Vantage, but that   needs a reboot to apply. You can avoid rebooting  with the Nvidia laptop because it has Advanced   Optimus, so you can instead change through  the Nvidia control panel. Unfortunately Intel   doesn’t currently have an equivalent to this, so  rebooting is the only way to change with the Arc   version. The Nvidia version has G-Sync, but the  Intel one has a variable refresh rate option too. Mine has a 1080p camera above the screen,  but there’s a 720p option in some regions.   There’s no Windows Hello face unlock, but it has  a privacy shutter with the switch on the right. Here’s how the camera and  microphones look and sound,   and this is what it sounds like  while typing on the keyboard. Now let’s find out how well  both LOQs perform in games! We’ve tested both the Intel Arc A530M with 4  gigs of VRAM, and the Nvidia RTX 3050 with 6   gigs of VRAM. And don’t forget the Nvidia version  is also paired with a slightly newer CPU too. Cyberpunk 2077 was tested the same on all laptops,  and I’ve got both configurations of LOQ 15 shown   by the red highlights. The Nvidia configuration  was reaching a 55% higher average frame rate   compared to the Arc configuration. Not bad at all,  considering its MSRP is just 7% higher. The dips   in performance were quite bad in this test on the  Arc laptop, as per the 1% lows which were a third   of the Nvidia laptop, which I suspect is due to  the 4 gigs of VRAM struggling in modern games. Red Dead Redemption 2 was tested with the  game’s benchmark, and the Nvidia config was   40% higher in average FPS compared to Arc this  time. Again, definitely seems worth it for 7%   extra money. That said, the Nvidia LOQ still  couldn’t match an RTX 2060 from 4 years ago,   and even MSI’s GF63 with RTX 4050 was ahead  while also being more than $200 cheaper than   the LOQ. Though that said, the GF63 is a  worse laptop in every other possible way. The Nvidia version was 44% faster than Arc in  Control, and the Arc laptop didn’t have the same   dips in performance that we saw in Cyberpunk. In  Fact the 1% lows with Arc were slightly ahead of   the Nvidia LOQ. Intel’s Arc graphics drivers  get frequent performance improvements though,   so results may have more variance depending  on the specific game. The 3050 LOQ was also   much closer to that 4050 now, but the GF63  has a low GPU power limit. The LOQ is also   available with Intel’s 14th gen processors  and RTX 4050 and 4060 graphics, so with that   more expensive configuration I’d expect it to  be similar to other higher powered results. Here are the 3DMark results for  those that find them useful. Lenovo’s BIOS has a lot of extra options  that many other laptops like ASUS,   Razer and Acer simply do not have. It’s only  really beaten by Dell/Alienware and MSI’s   advanced BIOS, which has an insane  amount of customization available. Linux support was tested with an Ubuntu 23.10  live CD. By default the keyboard, touchpad,   camera, speakers, ethernet and Wi-Fi  all worked fine. All keyboard shortcuts   for adjusting screen brightness,  changing keyboard lighting profile,   volume control, and performance modes  worked too, an excellent result. Pricing and availability will change over time,   so check the link below the video  for updates and current sales. And if these are anything like last year’s LOQ,   I would expect some really good sales. So  make sure you check out our gaminglaptop.deals   website with the link below. We update that  every day to include all of the latest sales,   so check it out regularly to save  money on your next gaming laptop. Now I’m making this video before  these laptops officially launch,   so I can’t check websites for prices just  yet. But Lenovo have told me that the Arc   configuration will start from $749 USD while  the Nvidia configuration will start from $799,   so $50 extra for the Nvidia laptop. But I would  definitely expect them to get cheaper with sales,   considering that last year’s LOQ with faster  RTX 4050 graphics went on sale for just $600.   And if they don’t, then just look out for the 2023  versions and see if they’re better value, because   at the end of the day there just aren’t really  a whole lot of major differences between them. Overall, Lenovo’s LOQ 15 is still a great  budget friendly gaming laptop compared to   what alternatives offer at this price point.  Like the Nvidia config having both G-Sync and   Advanced Optimus. But I mean this is the  first laptop review I’m doing in 2024,   so it’s completely possible that the  competition will catch up, we’ll have to   wait and see. Make sure you’re subscribed  for my future laptop reviews to find out. The visual design changes are only small,  but are welcome improvements. I think the   black keyboard is a bit easier to see,  the new power button design is brighter,   and not having hot air blowing on your mouse hand  is always welcome, especially when thermals were   otherwise fine. The extra upgradeability by now  supporting two double sided SSDs is nice too. But the changes aren’t all good. Why have the left side blank  and move its ports to the right,   when you could have instead left the right blank  for the majority of right handed mouse users? The battery drain due to the smaller  170 watt charger isn’t ideal,   but it’s possible that that  may not be a new issue. But the biggest problem to me was the Arc  laptop. It’s got worse performance in games,   worse battery life while running a game, less  VRAM on the GPU, no advanced optimus so you   have to reboot, and Intel’s driver support  is still playing catch up compared to Nvidia. Look, it’s not terrible for a basic entry level  gaming experience, but you’d be crazy not to spend   $50 more to get the Nvidia version, making the  cheaper Arc version just feel a bit pointless. But there are plenty of other new gaming laptops  coming out this year, so check out this video next   to see what’s coming in 2024. I was recently  at CES and got to see what all the brands have   coming. Well… Technically I haven’t actually left  for CES yet, I’m making this video before I go,   but I’m scheduling it after that video.  Anyway, I’ll see you in that one next!